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Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by simonh » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 8:45 PM UTC

NewJazz wrote: post #765

light_hue_1 wrote: post #714

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No. The people are to blame. Both the people who voted for the criminal to be president. And the people who supported such a horrible Democratic candidate that she couldn't even win against Trump.

1. Nobody supported Kamala as the democratic nominee. 2. The US senate is horribly malapportioned and gates scotus nominations.

Well, the Democrat apparatchiks that supported her.

And the person, and his henchmen and enablers, that implemented these tariffs in the first place.

Plenty of blame to go around, but to be fair there's a significant difference between ordering or enabling this debacle and ineffectively opposing it.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by simonh » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 8:48 PM UTC

SideQuark wrote: post #734

gmd63 wrote: post #656

This is just the citizenry paying double tariffs. First, we bought the higher priced goods. Now, the companies are trying to take our tariff payments again, this time from the government, to "make up" for the tariff money that we had already paid them in the first place. What should happen is that $X of the budget should be put into escrow for the next administration to use after these criminals make their way out.

Tons of goods companies paid tariffs for were inputs for those industries. Instead of being mad at companies that were forced to pay illegal tariffs, who now want to recoup some of that, be mad at the cause of illegal tariffs. Letting the govt keep the money by fighting over who is a victim, hold the govt feet to the fire so they learn not to do this to begin with.

You really think Trump is capable of learning such a lesson? This isn't a 'they' situation, it's a 'him' situation. The cronies enabling him may well be cap[able of learning such a lesson, but their noses are too deep in the trough of self interest to care.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by simonh » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 8:52 PM UTC

freetonik wrote: post #712

shevy-java wrote: post #504

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Hmm. The "active request" is quite common though. I agree that this is unfair, since it is theft, IMO, but Finland is not the only one forcing active engagement to get your money back. Even when the government stole that money from the people. > we can and should trust the authorities. Well, Finland has a fairly competent government usually for the most part. That mantra will not work in many other countries though -…

That may have been the case for some time, but the current government in Finland is... well, perhaps I personally wouldn't describe them as fairly competent.

That's fair, and I understand these sentiments, but there is a pretty big difference between mistakes and deliberate illegal activity, or just not caring if something is illegal or not.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by 0xedd » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 8:56 PM UTC

light_hue_1 wrote: post #714

NewJazz wrote: post #677

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And the supreme court is to blame for all of this because they decided to invalidate lower court injunctions, reasoning that there was no chance for "irreparable harm"... Yeah, right.

No. The people are to blame. Both the people who voted for the criminal to be president. And the people who supported such a horrible Democratic candidate that she couldn't even win against Trump.

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Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by 0xedd » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 9:02 PM UTC

infinitewars wrote: post #694

solid_fuel wrote: post #581

Putting aside the discussions of who will actually see any money returned, I will note that this haul covers about 100 days of war with Iran. ($1 Billion per day is the initial assessment from the Pentagon.) [0] For anyone who was still under the illusion that the tariffs would make any impact on the government debt, hopefully this illustrates that both the tariffs and the ridiculous DOGE effort were never really abo…

DOGE was about funding Golden Dome back when Elon thought he was getting the contract

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Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by witrak » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 9:04 PM UTC

mafuy wrote: post #790

the_real_cher wrote: post #761

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DHL is massive scam company. I ordered a tent from overseas and they classified it as both a food product and an aluminum product and charged me 600 bucks in tariffs. I'm fighting to get it back but they keep ignoring me with polite "were really busy" replys.

A product can be both, according to the current US administration. DHL is not necessarily at fault here.

>A product can be both

LOL... A tent is a single product. What about a car? Do you expect to pay separately for the aluminum in the motor and gearbox, as well as for the entire car?

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by rayiner » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 9:25 PM UTC

Sparkle-san wrote: post #667

rayiner wrote: post #635

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That approach may need to be reexamined as it didn't appear to work. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4872657-us-goods-trade-defi...

It will take decades to work.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by watwut » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

braincat31415 wrote: post #783

watwut wrote: post #772

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Frankly, that is just lying to yourself. None of that favored Trump. National debt, military adventures, crime, fraud - all of those are consistently better under democratic administrations. They are consistently worst under republican administrations. Trump himself committed crimes and it was very clear he will be more corrupt then anyone before him. Trump himself talked like someone who will be aggressive ... and h…

It does not matter what favors which administration (btw like I said, food inflation stats look awful during Biden's admin, although covid is probably more to blame). The grass is always greener on the other side, and people that cannot afford rent are just not going to vote for more of the same. It is always a swinging pendulum. The more I think about these things, the more I am convinced that Marx was right, and we…

> It does not matter what favors which administration

It does matter. Republicans are supporting the Iran war right now. Americans in general are not, republicans are in. Conservatives and MAGA even more. So, no, they were not actually worrying about military adventures, they like them.

> The grass is always greener on the other side, and people that cannot afford rent are just not going to vote for more of the same

Oh yeh, actually, data shows they do.

> I am more worried about paying real estate taxes, keeping the house, getting my kids through the college, paying car insurance and being able to afford food, and not having to leave the city downtown before dark.

Funny crime was going down for years. Funny, actual crime rates do not even enter discussion about crime. It was republicans who wanted business like expensive college. Who are against students ability to discharge that debt in bankruptcy.

> Trump voter who is not a fan of this war, and he was mostly complaining about skyrocketting cost of doing business and cost of labor that started shooting up about 5 years ago

Well, maybe he should not have voted for Trump.

> Anyone who manages to decrease the cost of healthcare, food, gas, improves an economy, etc.etc. will get my vote.

It would be a mystery why would someone who want cheaper healthcare and better economy would vote for party that consistently pushes for healthcare to be more expensive and worsens economy voted republican. But republican voters do so while people like you talk about these as if matter for republicans

> This time I had to choose between a word salad producer who was a VP of a senile president, and a baffoon. The democratic candidate was as unlikeable as the republican. I stayed home.

Frankly, if Harris is as unlikable as Trump for you, then I doubt the economic concerns here were drivers of yours stay home action. Because it was super clear where Trumps administration will go - including economically.

> Trans issues... not my concern at all. Immigrant rights - I frankly do not care. [...] Immigrant rights - I frankly do not care. [...] Housing immigrant families was mentioned

Fun fact, Biden deported more people then any president before him. Democratic party was never all that pro-imigrant as conservative propaganda makes them.

As for trans, it was republican party that made that issue and they did gained vote on that.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by braincat31415 » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 9:47 PM UTC

kakacik wrote: post #780

braincat31415 wrote: post #770

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That's exactly the kind of simplistic thinking that I was talking about. People had legitimate concerns about cost of living, food inflation (look at the charts of food prices 2020-2024), ballooning national debt, military adventures, crime, fraud, expensive housing and rent. I could go on. Trump's government is unlikely to offer any solutions to the above, but that's a different story. Voting because they wanted lib…

Unfortunately you are pretty much out of touch with reality. What parent wrote is true for large swaths of voters (sticking it to libs - any regular US forum I ever opened was full of 'libtards' and other worse insults even on completely unrelated topics... or just go to bible south, even completely ignoring racism and bigotry topic). Sure, thats not all, then there are folks believing that a criminal, notorious liar…

Don't look at the forums. The majority of normal US population is not on them.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by braincat31415 » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 10:01 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #798

braincat31415 wrote: post #783

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not matter what favors which administration (btw like I said, food inflation stats look awful during Biden's admin, although covid is probably more to blame). The grass is always greener on the other side, and people that cannot afford rent are just not going to vote for more of the same. It is always a swinging pendulum. The more I think about these things, the more I am convinced that Marx was right, and we…

> It does not matter what favors which administration It does matter. Republicans are supporting the Iran war right now. Americans in general are not, republicans are in. Conservatives and MAGA even more. So, no, they were not actually worrying about military adventures, they like them. > The grass is always greener on the other side, and people that cannot afford rent are just not going to vote for more of the same…

War - history won't agree with you. Trump started Iran. Biden got us into supporting Ukraine on the other side of the planet. I like neither.

Crime - I don't care about "going down for years". I look at Chicago where I work, and people in my office these days make sure they are out of the south part of downtown before the dark.

The guy's business started nosediving 5 years ago, and you mention Trump again? Jeez.

Anyway, you really sound like a (not very convincing) TV commercial. I am telling you that neither party improved the life of an average american (or mine if you don't want to generalize), and you are telling me these are not the droids I am looking for. That's the reason I don't like talking to die hard republicans AND democrats. Neither makes any sense anymore, and neither looks beneath the surface. Maybe instead of voting for the side that I like more I should start voting for the party that pisses me off less. But there are still reasonable folks to talk to from either party, and they are NOT found in this discussion. Bye.