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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by ceejayoz »

mrighele wrote: post #787
ceejayoz wrote: post #699

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> Then about ten years ago things changed. No, they didn't. We had McCarthy in the 50s. We had Focus on the Family and the Catholic League getting shows canceled. The Simpsons had a public feud with George Bush Sr. Cancel culture long predates the internet. Hell, it predates humans ; plenty of other species kick antisocial members out of group gatherings.

Yes they did. I am talking about the Internet. It used to be that anybody could post anything on the Internet. If it was something illegal sooner or later the state FBI/a Judge/Whatever would come for you, but it was a matter between you and the law. Your Internet provider, your hosting provider, etc. couldn't care less because they were not involved in your activity, in the same way that the post office is not to bl…

> It used to be that anybody could post anything on the Internet.

This was never the case. We had occasional law enforcement contact back in the 90s when I ran a gaming vBulletin board in high school. Your IP was trivially traced to a physical landline location and VPNs were in their infancy, and Facebook.com didn't get HTTPS by default until well into the 2000s (after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep).

Section 230 protects the ISPs and websites from liability, not the posters. It made it safer to host potentially actionable user-generated speech at scale, not harder.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by jjice »

rustymonday wrote: post #737

So this was uploaded only 6 hours ago and has over 1,000 points and is at the very bottom of the front page (#28 right now).

Comments like this appear on every single post like this. Hacker New's algorithm lowers posts that have too much engagement too fast as a way to prevent flame wars. Is it perfect? No. But I highly doubt this is HN demoting this on purpose.

From the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

> The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way.

> Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action.

This could very well be marked as an overheated discussion.

This comes up on HN constantly. The reason I feel confident that this is actually the case and not selective moderating is that these same exact comments pop up across posts from the entire political spectrum.

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Post by [deleted] »

ryandrake wrote: post #778
garciasn wrote: post #688

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I didn't twist anything. If anything, I would argue YOU are twisting words of the original comment to which I responded: >> the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles > I'm sorry, did I miss something? Is this something that's happened (ever)?

It's the first three lines of the Narcissists Prayer[1] That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal... 1: https://www.thelifedoctor.org/the-narcissist-s-prayer

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Post by sosomoxie »

inetknght wrote: post #599
sosomoxie wrote: post #177

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But did this apply to the US version of TikTok? We now have imposed censorship in the US app, that as far as I'm aware did not exist at all when it was owned by China.

> did this this apply to the US version of TikTok? Yup. China doesn't want you to know about Chinese problems or history, like Tianenmen Square. > as far as I'm aware did not exist at all when it was owned by China. Then either you weren't paying attention or the filters were working against you as intended.

You say yes, but do you have any evidence to back that up? I’ve never seen any credible reporting suggesting China was censoring any topic on TikTok.

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Post by conception »

kortilla wrote: post #196
conception wrote: post #32

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But the thing is people aren’t having “their say”. Social media companies are amplifying voices and viewpoints. They are not acting as “common carriers” letting quality sift to the top. It is curated and crafted.

“Letting quality sift to the top” implies that there is a way for this to happen without curation. Pure user vote driven things like Reddit are a failure (echo chambers, emotional appeals, bot rings, etc). So I’m curious what you think would let that happen? Even HN is heavily moderated to maintain topics.

Moderation is not amplification.

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Post by I-M-S »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #786
elbci wrote: post #754

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maybe it's not too late to find out that US was always like this and the fairy tale our parents listened on CIA's RadioFreeEurope was just - a fairy tale for gullible grown-ups ;)

I'm contemplating it, but I'm not that old yet ! Of course there was always a bit, sometimes a lot, of propaganda everywhere. But at least it was (mostly) for the right causes and ideals. Right now, US is being governed by what I see as the worst possible people, with 0 morals.

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Post by Hasz »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #126

Allow me to offer some words of wisdom. If you help building weapons to be used against $currently_designated_bad_people, you can rest assured that given enough time, those weapons will be used against you. I am watching all this with a mild sense of bemusement.

I have been arguing this point for several years now -- but wrt to the Democratic party's relationship with guns. The same justification used to limit the second amendment is the same justification that can be used to limit the 1st, 4th, etc.

Both parties seem to be on an authoritarian bent over the last 10-15 years, which sucks.

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Post by 30minAdayHN »

sam1r wrote: post #724
palmotea wrote: post #720

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> I really wonder how my life would be different if someone told be that the US, which for me was as close to a paradise as it gets, will go down the same road in the future - I think it would shatter quite a lot of my dreams of a better life. That reminds me of one of the things that stuck with me from The Man in the High Castle (the book). The main story is an alternate timeline where the Nazis/Japanese won WWII an…

Wow, thank you for the effort in typing out that this synopsis! Seems like quite the compelling read. I have already retrieved the book & will start it tonight.

I also enjoyed the TV series equally.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

I-M-S wrote: post #796
TheAlchemist wrote: post #786

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I'm contemplating it, but I'm not that old yet ! Of course there was always a bit, sometimes a lot, of propaganda everywhere. But at least it was (mostly) for the right causes and ideals. Right now, US is being governed by what I see as the worst possible people, with 0 morals.

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One may genuinly debate the genocide, racism, imperialism etc. But I can guarantee you that the 'opressed working class' in the US had it 100 times better than the non opressed Eastern European one.

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Post by bradgessler »

barbacoa wrote: post #660
bradgessler wrote: post #648

Remember all the grievances about the previous executive administration's "Twitter Files" censorship? Rules for thee, but not for me. To be clear, I think both censorship regimes are not good, but I can't say I'm surprised.

The pendulum is in full swing. Soon it will be ban worthy offense to suggest there are more than two genders. Though I am morbidly enjoying the irony of seeing those on the left suddenly discover an interest in free speech, and those on the right discover their love for campaigning to get people deplatformed.

I'm beginning to put together that party-lines are strictly about gaining and holding power at all costs. Irony disappears through that lens and the way people act makes much more sense.
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