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For those who don't want to use Twitter: https://xcancel.com/lellouchenico/status/2015775970330882319 Or here's the linked article: https://www.numerama.com/cyberguerre/2167301-la-france-veut-... And here's the app, Visio: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/visio

For those who don't want to use Twitter, I would also suggest replacing it with nothing.

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> pay 30% more taxes This is scaremongering - taxes are in no way 30% higher in EU. Someone pulling mid-6-figures in the Valley is already paying a ~35% effective tax rate (state + medicare + federal). That same person taking a low-6-figures job in Spain would pay ~40% effective tax rate - and Beckam's Law would likely cut that to 24% for the first 6 years in any case

first, one have to prove he is 24 not 40. taxes can tell 24 and tell you do 40 becauses they decided so. add social security percentage. while one still need real insurance and pension saving on top. yes, one 6 figure person have to pay two times. once for self and other one unemployed local drunk. and on top, when one buys anything, all things are taxed 2x compared to usa(but i guess trump tries fo equalize that). o…

> there are prices for locals and foreigners. one will pay 2x for coffee, rent, parking, all... does not know hidden language of locals? wait in all queues 2x longer. so social security medcine is something one never sees.

Mate, I made this exact move ~5 years ago, it's really not that hard to learn a foreign language and navigate a bit of bureaucracy (although I will admit, Spain may be better than most in this regard)

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The dollar strengthened against the CAD in 2025 compared to the figures I used. It really only weakened against the EUR and RMB.

January 1st 2025: $1 USD = $1.44 CAD January 28th 2026: $1 USD = $1.36 CAD Seems like the USD weakened against the CAD too no?

The figures I provided are for 2024. You would need to compare USD/CAD ratios for 2024 versus 2025. Annual GDP figures for 2026 are not yet available as 2026 has not yet come to pass, so usage of 2026 data is not accurate in this context. To compare, I would consider USD/CAD on December 31, 2024 which was 1.386 [.72] and USD/CAD on December 31, 2025 which was 1.4359 [.69] which are both less favorable than the .73 given.

As stated above, the usage of more accurate figures would render Ontario with a lower GDP than more states.

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Sure, go ahead and keep telling yourself that comforting myth that it was all because of lies and dirty tricks. But according to polls the general public, even during the chaos today, supports the Republicans over the Democrats on most of the major political issues: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/poll-americans-trust-rep...

It was absolutely due to lies and dirty tricks at least in part - I'm sure I can find objective analysis of people who said they voted because they believed various lies and disinformation if you like? But, let's say you're right to an extent, that's just incredibly depressing and shows that the problem ultimately lies with the people.

Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong.

Now you can claim that Trump is bad, we'd agree with you. We're saying it's VERY dangerous to state why people voted for him because it enables it to happen again!

DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris campaign again and then put fingers in your ears and blame the voters for being misinformed, please.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

With 40M people, Canada is about half the size of Germany in terms of population and GDP. Also smaller than France. Canada is more similar in GDP to countries like Italy. The Spanish economy is a bit smaller but it has slightly more people (48M). The EU + UK is a bit over half a billion people. The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.…

> The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.

I disagree

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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It was absolutely due to lies and dirty tricks at least in part - I'm sure I can find objective analysis of people who said they voted because they believed various lies and disinformation if you like? But, let's say you're right to an extent, that's just incredibly depressing and shows that the problem ultimately lies with the people.

Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong. Now you can claim that Trump is bad, we'd agree with you. We're saying it's VERY dangerous to state why people voted for him because it enables it to happen again! DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris campaign again and then put fingers in your ears…

> Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong.

I'm not claiming it was all that. For example, some people are single issue voters on abortion, so of course they are going to vote R. But a lot of people bought into the trans panic ads, the xenophobia, etc.

> DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris campaign again and then put fingers in your ears and blame the voters for being misinformed, please.

The voters were misinformed, though. Without a doubt the last election showed the people are much more of a problem than any party.

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Teams won by being good enough and bundled into O365. There's probably some value in making a product so available that people can use it where normally they wouldn't have the opportunity.

Teams won by being bundled with the rest of the Microsoft stack and shoved down captive (corporate) users throats.

I'll vouch for this. I moved from Slack to Teams and Teams is clearly an inferior product. That said, I don't think SalesForce owning Slack is really a big improvement.

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We need the EU to do for software what it did for device charging and require interoperability. There used to be several 'universal' chat clients, for example Pidgin.

Bring back ICQ!

XMPP for all of it faults allowed interoperability.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Sry but the world where ”markets decided” pretty much anything ended when Trump started his second term. EU is finishing a trade deal with India that creates a market of 2 billion people. Europe and China are closer than ever. I’m sure we can get along with Teans and police state just fine.

For what it's worth, I was trying to write "..get alont withOUT TeaMs and police state just fine".

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post #493

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Vance will "have the charisma" of being the focus of the palace cult (around a quarter of the country) while Trump's corpse is still warm. These people aren't people anymore, they're cultist NPCs. They have suspended personal agency and independent reasoning about their interests in favor of the vibes, in favor of the grift, and in favor of arbitrary Strong Executive Leadership. They will say literally anything Fox N…

> These people aren't people anymore This reads kind of like you see half the population of the country as subhuman. This is often used by radicals as the first step in justifying extreme measures to achieve policy goals that would be considered unthinkable otherwise. I know you think only the Right could be fascist, but most of the extreme left has become so distraught over their recent losses that they are losing m…

I read the "not people" comment not as describing the general population but rather the collection of camera-seeking characters roaming around the POTUS. Obviously they are human beings but they do demonstrate a remarkable lack of personality and agency.

All administrations have toadies, but cabinet members and proxies now snap to the latest tweet without even a fig-leaf attempt to bridge obvious 180 degree shifts. Sometimes in the same sentence.

Part of what it shows is that traditional DC has debate-club graduates from a culture than prizes verbal fluency, and when you hire based on other criteria, the messaging is incredibly clunky.

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