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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by pbmonster »

WorldMaker wrote: post #130
throwaway85825 wrote: post #51

Range extended EVs make far more sense. Smaller cheaper batteries but range benefit of a gas tank. 90% of trips are less than 30 miles.

They are the worst of both worlds: not enough battery range to satisfy on long trips plus the weight and maintenance headaches of a gas tank and engine, especially silly to lug that around if 90% of your trips are in battery range. As a 2012 Volt owner I think EREV was a great idea in the 2010s given battery tech and networks at the time. In the 2020s, they seem a weak compromise that I wouldn't recommend to people.

> especially silly to lug that around if 90% of your trips are in battery range

The same argument works for large batteries, right? On 90% of your trips, you're lugging around several hundred pounds of battery you're not using.

If you want to tackle the weight argument, you could always drop 40 kWh battery capacity from the truck. That frees up around 600 lbs you can now use for the genset.

The maintenance thing is a real problem, of course. A 50 kW genset that almost never runs will be much better on mainenance than a classic ICE car, but still add significant maintenance cost to a BEV.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by b112 »

alexjplant wrote: post #183
grouchomarx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

I believe you're accurate for some purchases, but also woefully inaccurate outside of your experience space.

There are millions of workers carrying tools, parts, supplies, and refuse in pickup trucks. Where I live (rural), almost everyone has a truck, and it is for work, not show.

And in cities, as I walk around neighbourhoods, I see endless roofers, plumbers, builders, gardeners, and more using them for work.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by BatteryMountain »

aggregator-ios wrote: post #749
Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. People think EVs are cars with tanks of electrons, and run aground the same way you would if you thought horses were cars full of hay. It's a different transport tool that gives the same results, you just have to know how to…

Spot on. The misconceptions, even from other EV owners is astounding. People are constantly confused about kWh vs kW, Amps, voltage, temperature, range, mi/kWh, etc. Even PhD Computer Science and other highly educated folks who have owned EVs for a long time can't quite communicate the difference between those units of measurement. So of course when a curious person asks them or others, they only quote the falsehoods…

Most households do not drive more than 100KM per day... yet people are obsessed with range.

My next EV will be a small BYD (dolphin or dolphin surf), these things can get between 200KM and 400KM per FULL charge, depending on your speed and settings. If you use the "slow" wall charger (that doesn't require installation or modifications to home circuits), not only will the batteries last longer, it will easily charge up your 100KM actual drive range in a couple of hours, typically overnight.

If you empty the battery each day and recharge it each night, that nets you 300KM per charge, or 2100KM per week. I don't know a single person or family that does 2100KM a week with their cars. So the whole range anxiety is rubbish. Just plug in every night and go to bed and tomorrow you have another 300km available.

Oh and then there are public fast chargers if you do get stuck. I live in Africa and this is solved problem.

Sorry for the rant..your comment about the expensive charger installations makes my blood boil as most people can just use the normal wall charger and charge overnight.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by trimethylpurine »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #58
a4isms wrote: post #42

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> A pickup truck should just be max utility A working truck should be max utility. Around the core market of "working trucks," there are various wannabe truck products that do not have to be max utility. For example, a Subaru Brat or a Hyundai Santa Fe. Niche products compared to an F-150, but they had/have their fans. I personally can't stand the design, but the idea of an impractical "halo vehicle" that appeals to…

A *working* truck should be max utility. All trucks should be working trucks. There is no reason to drive something that large and heavy that isn't better served by smaller vehicles that don't damage our shared infrastructure while being safer to drive.

In the same line of thinking we wouldn't be able to do anything for fun at all, since our very presence increases the living cost for everyone else. When we stand in the same line for ice cream, you're making it take longer to get mine, especially if you also have kids. Should kids be allowed in line for ice cream? They've made our shared line take longer and our shared source of ice cream more expensive.

This is a modern society in which we must live and let live. That core value of tolerance, which preserves our personal freedoms, deserves to be weighed as much and more than our shared infrastructure, imo.

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Post by Zardoz84 »

nilsbunger wrote: post #46
ortusdux wrote: post #36

I think the dealership monopoly is partly to blame. Dealers get more reoccurring revenue from ICE vehicles, so they are incentivized to not stock EVs and to steer customers away from them. Ford seemed to understand this and attempted a direct sale program for EVs, but they canceled it due to dealer pushback. https://fordauthority.com/2025/02/ford-ev-inventory-hub-syst...

Yes I think there's a real innovators' dilemma here for traditional automakers with dealer networks. Dealers make most of their money on servicing vehicles, not selling them. And EVs require almost no servicing.

That looks alien to me. Here, in europe, the usual thing it's go to your car workshop of trust. And they know where and how pick the parts and service your vehicle. Some car workshops could be "oficial" for a car maker, and it's where you should go when your car is new and under warranty period.

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Post by Zardoz84 »

danans wrote: post #74
Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. People think EVs are cars with tanks of electrons, and run aground the same way you would if you thought horses were cars full of hay. It's a different transport tool that gives the same results, you just have to know how to…

> It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. > As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. The F150 Lighting (and the Cybertruck) are failing precisely because it was impractical. It was expensive, has limited range when doing actual "pickup truck" work, like hauling tons of construction materials. It was buil…

> A pure EV drivetrain on the other hand is incredibly practical for daily commuter and even long distance travel - assuming you have home charging - but not for hauling tons of stuff long distances.

You know that electric trains are very practical, not ? Also, what about these EV trucks and EV vans ?

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Post by GJim »

user34283 wrote: post #774
autoexec wrote: post #605

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> You're labeling someone a "Nazi nut job" over nothing. Nothing except his antisemitic tweets, his posts defending Hitler, his support of Alternative for Germany, his support of prominent white supremacists, his chatbot which praises Hitler, his endorsement of racist conspiracies, and the occasional "Sieg Heil". What exactly would "something" look like to you? Being morally superior to that is an exceptionally low b…

The man is officially a dear friend of Israel, he has never defended Hitler, he indeed supports the German far right party, his chatbot had an alignment issue that has been patched within 16 hours. What you call a "Sieg heil" was an innocent hand gesture made once, and that hoax has been debunked by both the anti defamation league and the Israeli PM personally. You know this, yet you cannot let go of your hate.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then we have to entertain the possibility that we are dealing with a duck.

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Post by epolanski »

iknowstuff wrote: post #553
epolanski wrote: post #75

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Armchair internet analysts think they know better than the biggest car producer in the world that reinvented the modern supply chain. "But look at Tesla market cap!!!" Toyota had the right intuition: focus on EVs when the global sales will make sense for it, meanwhile avoid throwing good money after bad like most legacy automakers did with EVs.

~40% of global car sales are EV.

25% in 2025. Of those, the overwhelming majority in China. If you take it out of the equation it's around 10%.

EV sales have fallen YoY in North America.

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Post by [deleted] »

senordevnyc wrote: post #619
iknowstuff wrote: post #553

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~40% of global car sales are EV.

Yeah, what on earth are people even talking about here? EVs are clearly destroying ICE in the car market in terms of growth rates. Even without any government mandates, I highly doubt most new car sales in a decade will be ICE. There's just too many advantages to EVs, and ICE's few advantages keep slipping away.

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by user34283 »

GJim wrote: post #797
user34283 wrote: post #774

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The man is officially a dear friend of Israel, he has never defended Hitler, he indeed supports the German far right party, his chatbot had an alignment issue that has been patched within 16 hours. What you call a "Sieg heil" was an innocent hand gesture made once, and that hoax has been debunked by both the anti defamation league and the Israeli PM personally. You know this, yet you cannot let go of your hate.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then we have to entertain the possibility that we are dealing with a duck.

To me it looks like Musk is overly concerned about discrimination against whites as well as woke ideology, also out of personal experience with his child.

The rest, where progressives slander Musk and label him a Nazi or, their newest addition, a pedophile, appears to be a litany of lies, like the ones just shared above.

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