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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by abanana »

euroderf wrote: post #740
joombaga wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do! You put an ellipsis where an interesting explanation could go.

Japanese for "cat". Small programs to add a tiny cat that runs to your cursor and then naps - until another cursor move. There's also JS to add a neko to a webpage. Cute, but also not good when trying to focus on reading.

Hah, that's a blast from the past! You've reminded me of "Ameko", which added a little cat to the Amiga Workbench, walking around over the windows. I think I had it from a magazine coverdisk.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by bigyabai »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #742

What's your suggestion to deal with Apple's current fail? Wait until Tahoe's successor(s) or leave for good? When Jony Ive left, Apple managed to listen to their customers and quickly got rid of the Touch Bar thing, reintroduced a physical Esc key, etc. so there's hope left, isn't there?

> Apple managed to listen to their customers and quickly got rid of the Touch Bar thing, reintroduced a physical Esc key, etc. so

Those are all hardware upgrades that Apple profits from. What incentive does Apple have to make the App Store better, or improve the visual clarity in the iOS and macOS interface? Shouldn't we be seeing downward pressure there too, if innovation can be generalized to software?

Most users don't have a say in the matter, and Apple has exploited their ambivalence for decades. If you're the sort of person who cares, you're not Apple's target audience.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by abanana »

layer8 wrote: post #168

> In menus, the ellipsis character means that the user must provide more information before a command will operate. More specifically, to the user it means they’ll still have the opportunity to back out of the operation; that it won’t take effect immediately upon clicking the menu item. It allows the user to “explore” the command without committing to its execution yet. For that reason, IMO the ellipses in “Attach Fi…

Indeed, the ellipsis means some kind of dialog box will open. Regarding the wording "the user must provide more information", that's what that dialog box is for, while also providing a "cancel" option so that as you say, the user can back out. Surely "Attach Files..." brings up a file requestor, so it's exactly the correct use. I can't see why the blogger thinks otherwise.

It's just a small nitpick though. The article generally seems to do a good job of highlighting some frankly shocking (and worrying amateurish) problems in these menus.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by neor »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

I agree, the Liquid Glass isn’t working out for Mac OS.

Few days ago I booted a very old device running High Sierra and the UI and old Dock look so clean.

That desktop was peak for me, and the age starts showing a bit in Finder, but it's still more usable than today's versions.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by [deleted] »

btown wrote: post #724
solfox wrote: post #476

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100% this. I recall watching their launch video about Liquid Glass. It was filled with ego-driven "we're changing the world here" nonsense. They were designing in a bubble and wanted to do something different so they could justify the work. It was never about the user.

My hot take on this is that there is a business goal to Liquid Glass that extends beyond ego - but it's about the restoration of Apple UI as an exclusive status symbol, not as a usable experience. Apple looked at innovations in hardware form factor and, rather than trying to out-innovate in that sphere, said, instead: how do we make something in software that nobody would ever try to imitate, and thus position oursel…

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by nehal3m »

xutopia wrote: post #557
postalcoder wrote: post #99

This is an excellent article. Apple has been rudderless on the interaction design front for over a decade now. The windowing mess is evidence of it. We now have the cmd+tab (app switcher), Spaces, Mission Control, (full screen) split screen, Stage Manager, and now tiled window control. None of those interaction metaphors have been expanded upon since their initial launch. I'm a "mac guy". I understood why Apple initi…

Cmd+~ switches windows of a given app in case you didn't know (not disagreeing with you but it is one shortcut I find super useful and it helps switch windows).

I have a non-ANSI keyboard so tilde is in a super weird place for that (next to left shift). I swapped the shortcut to Option+Tab, makes much more intuitive sense.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by montag »

nosrepa wrote: post #596
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #298

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> author, please either make the snowflakes less distracting or toggleable They already did, as the grandparent comment already explained: >> TBF, you can turn it off by clicking on the snowflake icon in the top right corner.

Button doesn't do anything for me.

This is the biggest mistake, imo. The snowflakes should disappear immediately...

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by dsego »

xutopia wrote: post #557
postalcoder wrote: post #99

This is an excellent article. Apple has been rudderless on the interaction design front for over a decade now. The windowing mess is evidence of it. We now have the cmd+tab (app switcher), Spaces, Mission Control, (full screen) split screen, Stage Manager, and now tiled window control. None of those interaction metaphors have been expanded upon since their initial launch. I'm a "mac guy". I understood why Apple initi…

Cmd+~ switches windows of a given app in case you didn't know (not disagreeing with you but it is one shortcut I find super useful and it helps switch windows).

For some reason it's currently broken for Firefox on Mac, at least on my end.
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