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Post by Forgeties79 »

empiricus wrote: post #773
hdgvhicv wrote: post #769

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White walls in my kitchen look different depending on the time of day and weather, and that’s before I turn on the lights. What is the correct colour?

Well, I know what you mean, color is complicated. BUT, I can look at a hundred skys and they look like sky. I will look at the sky on the tv, and it looks like sky on the tv, not like the real sky. And sky is probably easy to replicate, but if you take the grass or leaves, or human skin, then the tv becomes funny most of the time.

> I will look at the sky on the tv, and it looks like sky on the tv, not like the real sky.

Well for starters you’re viewing the real sky in 3D and your TV is a 2D medium. Truly that immediately changes your perception and drastically. TV looks like TV no matter what.

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Post by npodbielski »

ceejayoz wrote: post #660
npodbielski wrote: post #603

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They, like 7kids and 4 adults, I did not bother to count, did attack military base, with actual military trained personnel with military equipment. And they did succeed. This is not bad? They just stroll in upside down and nothing ever attacks them. Where the swarm of bats disappeared? When demogorgons attack to kidnap kids they come from upside down. But in upside down they nowhere to be seen. Military general could…

> And we did not even see what was in the case. You know there are two more episodes, right? That seems like an obvious finale reveal.

They were not even in hurry. If that was important for the viewers it should be even more important to the characters. If this was not important and they do not care then the whole premise of traumatic Vecna memory was useless pile of utter garbage because memory cannot be traumatic and not important. Ever had trauma doing grocerries? Or riding a cab? And then they should not be able to escape. Because he would get them before that.

They just invent stuff that they have no idea how to explain later. Just like Lost.

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Post by empiricus »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #776
empiricus wrote: post #754

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It means that the colors should be correct. The sky on tv should look like the sky. The grass on tv should look like grass. If I look at the screen and then I look outside, it should look the same. HDR screens and sensors are getting pretty close, but almost everyone is using color grading so the advantage is gone. And after colors, don't get me started about motion and the 24fps abomination.

> It means that the colors should be correct. The sky on tv should look like the sky. The grass on tv should look like grass. It is not as clear cut as you think and is very much a gradient. I could send 10 different color gradings of the sky and grass to 10 different people and they could all say it looks “natural” to them, or a few would say it looks “off,” because our expectations of “natural” looks are not inform…

In a way, this actually touches on a real issue. Instead of trying to please random ppl and make heuristics that work in arbitrary conditions, maybe start from the objective reality? I mean, for the start, take a picture, and then immediately compare it with the subject. If it looks identical then that's a good start. I haven't seen any device capable of doing this. Of course you would need the entire sensor-processing-screen chain to be calibrated for this.

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Post by simianparrot »

LanceH wrote: post #539
simianparrot wrote: post #146

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Yeah this season started off decent but by the penultimate episode it’s nosedived off a cliff…

The first four episodes this season weren't good. The whole D&D metaphor already felt played out but is instead leaned on heavily again. The pop references are plentiful, but 5 seasons of the same references also gets old. The military is straight up a bad guy now and one way to handle them is straight up killing them in gunfights. Then the release of the next three were just so much worse. More of the same bad stuff…

Yeah I agree with all of this. Having seen the final episode now, while not as bad as Game of Thrones, it's very reminiscent. It's like they never had any idea how they'd wrap it up and just wrote something that checks the boxes to wrap up a series without much thought.

I was going to write a lot more but I just want to not think about this anymore, I'm so disappointed. It seems like the best we can wish for from Netflix shows is that they get cancelled before they turn into whatever this became...

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Post by Forgeties79 »

empiricus wrote: post #793
Forgeties79 wrote: post #776

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> It means that the colors should be correct. The sky on tv should look like the sky. The grass on tv should look like grass. It is not as clear cut as you think and is very much a gradient. I could send 10 different color gradings of the sky and grass to 10 different people and they could all say it looks “natural” to them, or a few would say it looks “off,” because our expectations of “natural” looks are not inform…

In a way, this actually touches on a real issue. Instead of trying to please random ppl and make heuristics that work in arbitrary conditions, maybe start from the objective reality? I mean, for the start, take a picture, and then immediately compare it with the subject. If it looks identical then that's a good start. I haven't seen any device capable of doing this. Of course you would need the entire sensor-processi…

Everything I talked about above applies even more so now that you’re trying to say “we’ll make a camera capture objective colors/reality.” That’s been a debate about cameras ever since the first images were taken. “The truth of the image.”

There is no such thing as the “correct” or “most natural” image. There is essentially no “true” image.

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Post by empiricus »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #796
empiricus wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way, this actually touches on a real issue. Instead of trying to please random ppl and make heuristics that work in arbitrary conditions, maybe start from the objective reality? I mean, for the start, take a picture, and then immediately compare it with the subject. If it looks identical then that's a good start. I haven't seen any device capable of doing this. Of course you would need the entire sensor-processi…

Everything I talked about above applies even more so now that you’re trying to say “we’ll make a camera capture objective colors/reality.” That’s been a debate about cameras ever since the first images were taken. “The truth of the image.” There is no such thing as the “correct” or “most natural” image. There is essentially no “true” image.

I completely agree. Theoretically you could capture and reproduce the entire spectrum for each pixel, but even that is not "true" because it is not the entire light field. But I still think that we can look at the picture on phone in the hand and at the subject just in front, and try to make them as similar as possible to our senses? This looks to me like a big improvement to the current state of affairs. Then you can always say to a critic: I checked just as i took the picture/movie, and this is exactly how the sky/grass/subject looked.

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Post by avazhi »

dark-star wrote: post #305
giorgioz wrote: post #275

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Yes I also let my girlfriend skip the last two episodes. Tyrion Lannister did say "if you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention".

As someone who hasn't watched GoT, only heard of it from others, let me guess: In those two episodes everyone dies a very cruel and painful death, except for one or two main characters?

If literally everybody had died in GoT and the White Walkers had destroyed the world it would have been an infinitely better ending than what they actually wrote into the show. It also would have been on brand for the show and the books themselves.

Television writers pussying out in their finales is its own meme at this point. Makes me respect David Chase and how The Sopranos ended all that much more.

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Post by lossyalgo »

pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

I can't find the article now but supposedly it's because "new" (within the last 10ish years) productions are created for multiple devices and audio engineers target the lowest-common denominator, which are smartphones.

If on a PC, there are numerous websites with various VLC "movie" settings to combat this issue. I've tried several with mixed results, I always end up reverting to default at some point because for some movies, they work, but other movies not so well, and it's horribly annoying to constantly tweak VLC advanced settings (too many clicks IMO). The idea being that with VLC, you can change frequency volumes to raise typical frequencies for voices and an in-turn lower other frequencies typical in actions scenes e.g. for explosions.

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Post by KingMob »

andersa wrote: post #378
KingMob wrote: post #355

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> Every PC gamer knows you need high frame rates for camera movement. Obviously not, because generations of people saw "movement" at 24 fps. You're railing against other people's preferences, but presenting your personal preferences as fact. Also, there are technical limitations in cameras that aren't present in video games. The higher the frame rate, the less light that hits it. To compensate, not only do you need b…

> You're railing against other people's preferences, but presenting your personal preferences as fact. It is a fact that motion is smoother at 120 fps than 24, and therefore easier to follow on screen. There are no preferences involved. > Also, there are technical limitations in cameras that aren't present in video games. Cameras capable of recording high quality footage at this refresh rate already exist and their c…

> It is a fact that motion is smoother at 120 fps than 24

Yes, but that's not what you wrote. "unwatchable judder that I can't even interpret as motion sometimes" is false, unless you have some super-rare motion processing disorder in area MT of your brain.

> Cameras capable of recording high quality footage at this refresh rate already exist and their cost is not meaningful compared to the full budget of a movie

Yes, but that's not what I wrote. The cost to handle it is not concentrated in the camera itself. Reread my comment.

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