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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by bgro »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #43

I think the author intended the title to be, "Google Ads is dead, Where do I promote my business now?" When I hear "Google" I assume search, oof (sigh of relief). They mention running ads on tiktok or instagram but no mention of youtube ads... Also, In my own experience for my business ( also entertainment) I have found reddit ads to be useful. So my next steps would be, Reddit Ads Youtube Ads Instagram Ads Increase…

Remember when people wrote things online because they had something useful to say and share and that was enough?

Now it’s slop factory of people having a writing quota to get enough ads because they don’t want to work. Particularly true for tech writers who praise things like leetcode then can’t get a real job.

Now it’s supercharged by ai and they’re upset how accessible their slop job is. I just find that funny I suppose.

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Post by hgomersall »

crazygringo wrote: post #348
hgomersall wrote: post #80

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Search died ages ago [1]. Ads dying is a direct consequence of that. [1] https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

> Search died ages ago You might want to let Google know that, because the number of searches on Google appears to continue to be growing massively: https://searchengineland.com/google-5-trillion-searches-per-... Those numbers look like the exact opposite of dead or dying to me. As does Google's growing stock price over the same time period.

The policy described in my link is literally about making each user search more to get the results they want in order to drive more ad revenue. That would create more searches and a less good user experience.

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Post by Mixtape »

SoftTalker wrote: post #546
joenot443 wrote: post #131

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You're right - it was called FoxTrax, it's a fairly interesting piece of engineering. It's pretty wild they were able to convince the NHL to use a modified puck with a battery and PCB inside, all so American viewers could better follow the action. It was not well received in Canada :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FoxTrax

It was not well received anywhere. However, in a bit of defense of the idea, TV at that time was still NTSC (~480p resolution at 24 frames/s) and it was pretty hard to see the puck even if you knew where it was.

Just a nitpick: analog NTSC was roughly 480i at (just under) 30 FPS. The latter is significant, as 3:2 pulldown (as would have been necessary if the station's cameras were scanning at 24 FPS) would have introduced judder and made tracking even harder. To its credit, interlacing also improved motion clarity at the expense of loss of detail, but whether that's a net benefit ultimately amounts to a matter of preference.

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Post by ethbr1 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #668
brabel wrote: post #643

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The 1990s internet was definitely not more liberal! 4chan style forums were probably the rule. I can’t believe someone would say that, clearly you didn’t use the same internet that I did.

He didn't say the internet was more liberal, he said the people on it were. Before you start forming your reply, think about the actual culture back then. If you take slashdot as somewhat representative of the 90s internet culture, it was basically anti-corporate, meritocratic, non-judgmental, irreligious, educated, non-discriminatory, and once 2000 came around tended to be highly critical of the Bush agenda. 4chan a…

Exactly. If I had to characterize the general internet (read: what would and wouldn't raise an eyebrow in an average forum) in terms of political alignment, it'd probably be:

   - anarchist 60s/70s
   - libertarian-meritocracy 80s/90s
   - capitalist-meritocracy-liberal 00s
   - polarized liberal-globalist vs conservative-reactionary 10s
   - polarized liberal-individualist vs conservative-statist 20s
That SA / 4chan (both of which were really post-90s) existed were in no way proof of an anti-liberal bent. Their very edgelordness was an implicit reveling in absolute freedom of expression (even if their later liberal-pro-censoring and alt-right splinter movements subsequently forgot that).

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Post by scrollop »

Vegenoid wrote: post #685
Cipater wrote: post #672

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The problem with Discord is that I have to know exactly where stuff is for me to access it. There is absolutely zero chance I find something interesting on Discord just by "browsing" Discord. I have to be in a community that already exists elsewhere to get the Discord server link or just accidentally stumble upon the server link somewhere other than Discord. And If I do find an interesting Discord that is active, for…

Everything you just said is, through another lens, the boons of Discord. Lack of discoverability and permanence are a big part of why communities are moving and forming there.

Though there may be some very good information locked behind unsearchable discord servers, and that won't be publicly archived for the greater good (not that most of reddit isn't forgettable).

The good and bad, I guess.

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

hinkley wrote: post #767
DrewADesign wrote: post #388

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My very vibes-based take is that setting up home servers is the dad jeans of tech hobbies. It's kind of arresting how bewildered many young people are when confronted with anything below the UI layer. I think peak tech savviness happened a bit younger than me: maybe mid-late millennial. After that you start getting into the iPad-from-birth generation for whom tech was rarely a challenge. Tech savviness among young fo…

Gamers are the ones building PCs by hand. They have the skills, it’s a matter of motivation.

Building PCs by hand nowadays is quite trivial. You don't need to set bunch of jumpers on the motherboard correctly, manually assign IRQs, etc. The peak "complexity" modern gamers deal with is correctly overclocking their gear without frying it or making the system unstable (which is mostly done in some nice GUI according to a youtube tutorial anyway).

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Post by evandena »

firecall wrote: post #360
Sharlin wrote: post #256

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If only Discord weren't so incredibly bloated and full of stupid features aimed at 14-year-old gamers.

I'd actually flip that and suggest that people stop trying to use Discord for things that aren't aligned with Discord's product UI/UX priorities! Discord is what it is, and my teenage kids love it. However I'm constantly baffled by it LOL.

I'm amazed Discord hasn't launched a corporate version of thier software yet, or that Slack hasn't seen the potential of static voice channels.

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Post by pants2 »

ileonichwiesz wrote: post #764
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

I think some of this is caused by the non-obvious mechanisms of how interactions on these platforms work. When you replied to a thread on a phpbb forum (or when you reply to this HN thread), your reply „lived” in that thread, on that forum, and that was that. The algorithm wouldn’t show that reply to your dad. I remember liking a comment on Facebook years ago, and being horrified when some of my friends and family go…

This is very well said! Probably also why social media has become so "fake" - back in the early days of Facebook, friends would talk to each other like friends. But after my religious aunt started seeing the comments I was leaving on a friend's pics, let's just say that stopped pretty quick.

Now the only thing I would ever consider posting on Facebook is "What a beautiful day! Went for a great hike with my family and enjoyed nature."

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Post by ethbr1 »

lazide wrote: post #730
ethbr1 wrote: post #726

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I think we might come from different cultural expectations? In my book, it's reductive to sweep unsolicited sexual harassment under "attention", unwanted or otherwise. It's not rocket science: everyone deserves to be treated in a way that makes them feel comfortable and safe.

Sexual harassment (having been a target of it), is pretty much the definition of ‘unwanted attention’. Targets typically just want to be left alone. It’s also a crime in some places, not (!!!) in others, or called different things in other places depending on the details. For example, is sending an unsolicited dick pic on a dating app sexual harassment? Is getting felt up at work, with the implication ‘or else’? Is b…

Sure, there are misogynistic cultures out there, but that doesn't justify it from a categorical imperative perspective.

If it's okay, then it's okay for all sexes. And I'm hard-pressed to name a world culture that's equally accepting and promoting of men-sexually-harassing-women and women-sexually-harassing-men.

Can you?

It feels like you're trying to make this an argument about statistics, when it's an argument about ethics and morality.

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