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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by xnx »

Stranger43 wrote: post #169

I think a fundamental lack of understanding/humility is the core of this conflict along with Mozilla's long and storied history of creating controversies/problems out of thin air. The Mozilla leadership seems to have a unfortunate tendency to emulate the behaviors of the tech companies that their core Firefox project is often seen as an alternative too. Firefox is a good browser but is prevented from capitalizing on…

I wonder what the Apache Foundation could do with the immense budget of Mozilla.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by guicho271828 »

adeptima wrote: post #7

10+ years in Japan. The message here is much deeper from my perspective. “Let’s jump on the call” is not the solution. The guy was stripped off of his face. I love Japan for being human. Small business bar or restaurant with 3 tables. Not everything should be streamlined for a quick call solution… the process was pushed on his head. Google nemawashi decision making process

Japanese here. You got it right. That message is an ultimatum. No mercy for the dishonorable.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by cma »

atoav wrote: post #349
cma wrote: post #338

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> Are you truly "struggling to understand" what someone means You've turned this around into a very different quote, and shouldn't use quote marks for that. They wrote: > We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. I don't like their response and agree with a lot of people in the thread it looks like they are trying to do the call to take it private. But we don't have to make up stuff.

Yes, but what is there to understand? A bot erased the hard work of people. That is the point. Sure there may be more fine detail to understand around the guidelines etc, but first you should acknowledge that (A) your bot fucked up big time, (B) everybody would be pissed if years of work would be overwritten in such disrespectful manner and (C) that this isn't how you want to treat your community. If you don't manage…

Sure, but there is no reason to fabricate a quote they never said. Their offputting real response can stand on its own without imagining a new one that never happened.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by rjh29 »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #581
rjh29 wrote: post #231

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It's a problem for everyone who speaks >1 language (the majority of the world?) since you can't turn it off.

The YouTube No Translation add-on automatically turns off the robodubs and translated titles: https://youtube-no-translation.vercel.app/ Before I discovered it I was getting so frustrated with the lousy robotranslations on YouTube.

Nice, thanks.

I recently found out DeArrow (an amazing extension to remove clickbait titles and thumbnails) also has an option to hide translated titles, off by default. But the extension you recommend can be used to force the audio track, which is very helpful.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by port11 »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #784
port11 wrote: post #277

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I submitted 2 patches during an 2018 open night to bring in more volunteers in Berlin. The actual folk there were amazing, but the review process, tooling, and bureaucracy was so upsetting that I never bothered again. I'm not sure the fixes were approved, and it wouldn't be surprising if these open nights don't convince many to contribute.

Yeah. That sounds about right. I have nothing but good things to say about my peers. Management, on the other hand, was pretty bad.

Sorry to hear. I've never met a Mozilla person I didn't feel inspired by, especially those working on the TC of Ecma and anyone trying to steer the standards. You folk build good stuff, just have poor leadership.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by dimal »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #726
dimal wrote: post #664

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Betrayal has that effect. They're supposed to be the good side. They abandoned that, and now they're just like any other unsuccessful tech company, desperately clinging to relevance while discarding all the ideals that made some of us support them.

How would you run Firefox? How would you challenge Google and keep the web open?

Ok, I'll bite. Off the top of my head:

Fire 80% of the C-level employees (make them justify their positions, DOGE-style); investigate and publicize the internal decision-making processes that lead to Mozilla becoming a de facto subsidiary of Google; do a full auditing of the financials and determine how much money the organization really needs to fund browser development (Servo and Ladybird seem to be getting shit done with a lot less money than Mozilla. How is that possible?); do an auditing of all non-browser related initiatives (stuff like MDN is worthwhile, but what other BS is sucking up money and time?); talk to the existing development staff about what's working and what's not and what opportunities exist that an outsider wouldn't know about. I would listen to the developers. Developers are often an underutilized business resource.

This would give me a basis to start thinking about revenue. Once it's clear what fat can be cut (and I think the cuts would be huge), then it'd be clearer exactly what revenue model might work.

At this point, it's worth going for broke. Mozilla is effectively dead, so there's nothing to lose. If it fails, that's still better than the status quo.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by bfkwlfkjf »

detaro wrote: post #374
bfkwlfkjf wrote: post #372

What actually happened? What's his complaint?

How did you read the post and miss the complaint?

Because I don't understand what he's saying. Something happened that he didn't like, but I can't tell what.

> the sumobot was introduced to Japanese KB articles.

I dont know what a sumobot is, I don't know what Japanese KB articles are, I don't know why it's bad to have both together.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by numpad0 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #197
numpad0 wrote: post #162

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The Standard Chinese language was always known to be oddly syntactically close to US English. No one calls it an Indo-European language, but they sometimes feel closer together than English and French on surface levels. Japanese is not like that - even human translations between anything to/from Japanese sound translated.

Japanese can especially be tricky to machine-translate because often the subject is missing from a sentence, where it would be required in an equivalent English sentence. The machine translation tends to insert its best guess of a subject (usually "I" or "you"), which can often flip a sentence's meaning inside-out.

I'm thinking there's something deeper or wider than even that. Apparently there's something in Windows 11 right now that says "3 minutes 21 number 2", down to inclusion of the number, because, you know, seconds.

I have my own essay on this matter to post on the Internet, but, to say the least, I don't think this mode of failures happen nearly as often in most other languages, if ever.

1: https://twitter.com/inasoft_ayacy/status/1986739607237722409

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

nativeit wrote: post #785
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #710

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This is sure an opinion.

I’m gonna need that translated for me.

Translation: "I feel like your tirade/word salad/stream of consciousness/ is so worthless I'm worse for having had to endure it, I don't care about most of it and disagree with the rest, but there are reasons I need to respond to it politely".
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