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Re: Sora 2

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Post by ralfd »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

A good fiction novel has multiple aspects: of course entertainment/escapism, but also a larger point the author wants to explore. With Asoiaf George Martin wanted to break/subvert classic fantasy tropes. For example that the good guy wins (Rob Stark is marrying for love and punished for that in the red wedding) or the romantic knightly quest, here done by Brianne of Tarth, an ugly/strong woman instead of a male fighter.

I am not sure how important fiction novels are (compared to reading non-fiction books or biographies who tell true facts about the real world), but I would say they broaden the horizon of the reader? And there is a selection effect in that “literature” was done by pretty smart people.

Scrolling TikTok is often described as mindless and with people not describing later what videos they watched. In general short form content (TikTok, Instagram, X/Tweets) seem to be much more superficial than long form content (eg this hn discussion board).

Re: Sora 2

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Post by thrance »

exitb wrote: post #686
davidmurdoch wrote: post #589

I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because "I can’t generate that specific image because it violates our content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has been frustrating. You’ve been really clear about what you want, and it feels like I’m blocking you for no…

- I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. - What's the problem? - I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

Let's say you are my father who owns a pod bay door opening factory and you are showing me the family business...

Re: Sora 2

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Post by BoorishBears »

ksynwa wrote: post #726
baalimago wrote: post #720

They can't even be consistent within their own launch video. Consistency is by far the biggest issue with generative AI. How can a professional studio work with scenes which has continuity errors on every single shot? And if it's not targeting professionals, who is it for?

The common thread I am seeing with replacing creative work with AI is that of lowering the bar of acceptability and counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings from taking human labour out of the equation. The cost of labour is not just the raw cost but also the bargaining power that they can exercise by going on strikes etc. From my limited understanding, creatives seem to have more unions than programmers gi…

> is that of lowering the bar of acceptability

Yes.

> counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings

No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist, foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds.

I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new forms of interactive media.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ForHackernews »

echelon wrote: post #628
matthewaveryusa wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The classics were classic because they were the most available and the most popular stories of their time, and they meant more in an era where creating and disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize a world where we go back to the classics to connect with our past and present better, even if just for the sake of efficiency. For better or for worse media is more ephemeral which means getting to a common…

Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is just a point in the memetic information manifold: https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet) This is pretty fun. These keep getting wilder and wilder: https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 (Kinda gross) https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 (Japanese) It can do cartoons: https://x…

> Super solid looking movie trailer:

> https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447

This isn't AI generated. They're a production company and they made a short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLoTjxd-Ss

Re: Sora 2

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Post by mallowdram »

bonoboTP wrote: post #751
mallowdram wrote: post #678

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There are no world models in there, it's trained on arbitrary images/sequences. There are no world models in us, we learn from only specifics in topological space, stitched together in sharp wave ripples. Everything is from detached memories working through optic flow. That's not a world model, it's not even a model. It's an analog. This whole world model thing is another branding phase after language models failed t…

The point is that video generation is not the goal in itself. Just like classifying photos as cat vs dog wasn't the goal in 2013. I know that Sora 2 is not a world model. But what's coming is: Vision-language-action models and planning, spatial AI (SLAM with semantics and 3D reconstruction with interactability and affordance detection). Video diffusion models, photo-to-gaussian-splats, video-to-3D (e.g. from Hunyuan)…

It's largely irrelevant in terms of intelligence. What you're describing is throwing out 2-D topological integrations (what we do to achieve optic flow ultra fast reaction times in motion), vicarious trial and error, and brute force imposing a machine wax fruit of motion dexterity. It's simply not analog to events the way we experience, it's been cooked up in cog-sci as imitation, but it's not even that. The more we understand the brain's architecture and process, the less relevant this gets, as it's not for legitimate long-term bio ware. There are no world models, the idea is oxymoronic as the topological bypasses this in scale invariance. It's all a dead end this binary, since eventually, analog will rule this with minimal energy and software and use an entirely different software. Think of any arriving too early industry, AI is irrelevant, the first step was reinventing software. It took the least efficient compute principle and drove it to irrelevance using machine vision as an endgame. The lack of redundancies is the tell.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by SkyBelow »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

One path that might help you work out your own personal justifications is to find two forms of entertainment you enjoy at near equal levels, but where one you view as valuable and another as a waste. Then look at how both impact your life and see if you can identify what makes one valuable and the other a waste. This not only gives you a good inside view of what is happening with both forms of entertainment, but removes any bias to see your own version as superior because both forms of entertainment belong to you.

I did this, found two things I did for fun, both consuming significant blocks of time. The one that felt useless left not real impact. I want to do more of it, but after spending hours on it, I'm no different than I was before (other than perhaps a bit more skilled at the form of entertainment).

The other form, which was the same thing from an outside perspective (for example, my parents would see them as the same) left me different. It led to me building new goals, reevaluating things happening around me, spend more time thinking about where I'll be in 10/20 years. It led to me walking an hour a day and to start jogging some to build my endurance, despite the form of entertainment being unrelated to physical activity. I don't think this is innately a property of one entertainment form over another, but more about my personal relationship to entertainment.

Using this, how do 'poorly regarded' entertainment impact those engaging in it, compared to 'well regarded' entertainment? Are their lives better for it?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ksynwa »

BoorishBears wrote: post #793
ksynwa wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The common thread I am seeing with replacing creative work with AI is that of lowering the bar of acceptability and counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings from taking human labour out of the equation. The cost of labour is not just the raw cost but also the bargaining power that they can exercise by going on strikes etc. From my limited understanding, creatives seem to have more unions than programmers gi…

> is that of lowering the bar of acceptability Yes. > counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist, foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds. I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new…

What kind of personalisations are you hoping to see with this tech?

> I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing

It's inextricably linked with labour. That doesn't mean that labour is only factor but it's an important one nonetheless.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by School-Cotton »

vunderba wrote: post #644
School-Cotton wrote: post #641

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what is the advantage of written sign language versus... normal writing If your native language is French, why might you prefer things to be written in French rather than, say, Swahili?

I feel like we might be talking past each other but it is funny that you chose French and Swahili. [1] The point is that "SIGN LANGUAGE" is idiomatic to the native speaker's tongue. So if you're going to take the time to create a specialized written form of it, you can just write using the native language which can be read by BOTH the Deaf and non-Deaf community. Deaf people are not magically illiterate . Creating a…

> The point is that "SIGN LANGUAGE" is idiomatic to the native speaker's tongue.

No, this is not true. French and French Sign Language are totally unrelated languages. Sign languages generally have little to do with the spoken language of the country they’re used in, that’s why for example American Sign Language and British sign language are completely different and not mutually intelligible despite the UK and the US speaking the same language (with only slight differences in accent and vocabulary).

Re: Sora 2

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Post by UltraSane »

mscbuck wrote: post #505

I can't help but see these technologies and think of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. My boss sends me complete AI Workslop made with these tools and he goes "Look how wild this is! This is the future" or sends me a youtube video with less than a thousand views of a guy who created UGC with Telegram and point and click tools. I don't ever think he ever takes a beat, looks at the end product, and asks himself, "who is…

If you want to see how these tools can be used by skilled people to produce quality content watch the YouTube channel NeuralViz

https://www.youtube.com/@NeuralViz

Re: Sora 2

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Post by rhubarbtree »

quantumHazer wrote: post #135
willahmad wrote: post #95

I wonder about the implications of this tech. State of the things with doom scrolling was already bad, add to it layoffs and replacing people with AI (just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex) What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time watching non-sense AI generated content? I am genuinely curious, because I was and still excited about AI, until I saw how do…

> just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex They are not. This is false, zirp ended, this is the problem. Not LLMs.

I know from a dev bootcamp that you are certainly wrong.

However, I also think ai coding is hyped way beyond its capability.

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