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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by skinkestek »

LightBug1 wrote: post #637
dotancohen wrote: post #307

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This has not been a single terrorist event. Hamas has been shooting rockets at us for almost two decades before the October 7th attacks. They are still shooting rockets at us, some have fallen yesterday and today. And I'm not even talking about the rockets shot at us from other Muslim nations, such as Yemen, that just proves that this is a Muslim against Jewish war and not an Israel against Hamas war. 19 Israelis wer…

You've relayed one side of the story. I'm aware of the other side. Taking both together, nothing you've said justifies what has taken place over the last 2 years. And your comment on annexation as an end to occupation was truly bizarre, but ... unsurprising at this stage.

less than 60 000 people were killed in the Blitz against London.

By your logic most of what happened in 1944 and 1945 when 350 000 to 500 000 German civilians died were probably injustice.

But in the real world we need to deal with the people who again and again attack their neighbors in vicious ways.

And we need to finish it.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by ziobot »

hashim wrote: post #677
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #620

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> Why would being cross-border matter when the entire land was previously Palestinian That's how borders work. (Anything else is, by definition, a border dispute.) If the Armia Krajowa had bulldozed into Lithuania on the logic that they lost it due to foreign meddling, they would have tarnished their record. (Despite the claim being true.) > Viet Cong, South Africa's ANC, the Suffragettes and civil rights movements a…

So the problem is that you don't believe Palestinians are on their "own turf", because Israel "legally" won it from the villagers there in 1948 after having the British install them to it. Got it. Once again, the Palestinian homeland is exactly where the kibbutz (which is a military camp and outpost) was, mere miles from Gaza, and all of the people involved were actively standing members of the IDF (i.e. the occupyin…

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by hnlmorg »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #330
hnlmorg wrote: post #279

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They have services literally dedicated to things like health data records. But you don’t even need to go that sensitive, literally any type of online service might run the risk of handling PII. Which is why CIS, NIST et al have security frameworks that cover things like encryption at rest.

But encryption at rest is not confidential compute. And Confidential compute is pretty new in terms of tech and i would be genuinely suprised if it's already required for some stuff. I am genuinely interested though, if you have any links about it please enlighten me.

Ahhh I hadn’t realised that was a new term. I’ve got something new to learn. Thank you

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by ragazzina »

skinkestek wrote: post #126
computerex wrote: post #43

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The word genocide has a legal definition, it’s not up for discussion or debate. What is happening in Gaza is a genocide according to genocide scholars.

It shouldn't be. But here we have UN and other twisting it to fit a situation that clearly weren't meant to be covered by it. Because if the war in Gaza can be called a genocide so can almost every single other major war! Also it is absolutely ridiculous to call a war that is started by one side, and one that only that side can end, a genocide against the same side that started it!

In your opinion, is there a neutral organization in the world that could define whether the legal definition of genocide is being met or not?

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by nashadelic »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #523
dark_mode wrote: post #235

> The decision has not affected Microsoft’s wider commercial relationship with the IDF, which is a longstanding client and will retain access to other services. The termination will raise questions within Israel about the policy of holding sensitive military data in a third-party cloud hosted overseas. It's worth noting that even after finding out the "most moral" army is conducting mass surveillance, they're still h…

Doesn't every army conduct "mass surveillance"? What do you think all those satellites with cameras are doing orbiting the planet? Wouldn't the opposite be incredibly immoral? Attacking/bombing/etc without large scale surveillance would largely mean increased collateral damage.

Two things: 1. The death toll has shown that this is the most indiscriminate bombings (Biden's own words) and deaths of civilians in recent memory. So, you could argue the tech is aiding in killing key civil infra staff

2. Sure, they can surveil, let them do it on their own data centers. It's actually strange that they would put such data/tech on a 3rd party data center to begin with.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by ragazzina »

Manuel_D wrote: post #728
skinkestek wrote: post #126

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It shouldn't be. But here we have UN and other twisting it to fit a situation that clearly weren't meant to be covered by it. Because if the war in Gaza can be called a genocide so can almost every single other major war! Also it is absolutely ridiculous to call a war that is started by one side, and one that only that side can end, a genocide against the same side that started it!

This is indeed a big obstacle to credibly calling the Israel-Palestine conflict a genocide. Germany lost ~10% of it's population in WW2. France lost 4% in WW1. Less than 1% of the Palestinian has been killed since Oct 7. Heck, the US Revolutionary war saw the British perpetrated genocide against the Colonists if the military actions following Oct 7 count as a genocide.

> Germany lost ~10% of it's population in WW2.

75% of those were military deaths, 25% civilian deaths. In Gaza the numbers are switched.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by wolvesechoes »

dark_mode wrote: post #235

> The decision has not affected Microsoft’s wider commercial relationship with the IDF, which is a longstanding client and will retain access to other services. The termination will raise questions within Israel about the policy of holding sensitive military data in a third-party cloud hosted overseas. It's worth noting that even after finding out the "most moral" army is conducting mass surveillance, they're still h…

I mean, there are other reasons to not provide them services. Really, mass surveillance is quite low on the list.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by Jensson »

fjdjshsh wrote: post #752
sir0010010 wrote: post #742

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In 1945, about ~90k people died over 2 days from the Tokyo Firebombing. Do you think it would be difficult for any modern millitary - that intentionally wanted to cause as much collateral damage as possible - to greatly exceed that number?

Not sure what is your point. The Israeli military could throw a few atomic bombs and wipe out the entire population in Gaza. That they don't is a sign of restraint for you?

It shows the poster they responded to was wrong when they said "It would be pretty difficult for the IDF to increase their level of collateral damage.".

It wouldn't be difficult at all to increase collateral damage, just fight like they did during ww2 and collateral damage would skyrocket.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by buyucu »

tiahura wrote: post #5

A little more surveillance might have prevented Oct 7.

Egyptian intelligence informed Israel before October 7. Israel chose to let it happen anyway: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Israeli government wanted October 7 to happen, because they knew it would provide a good pretext for the genocide they wanted to commit.

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Post by ars »

lupusreal wrote: post #699
SilverElfin wrote: post #675

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Ancient Israelites existed approximately 2000 years before your incorrect claimed timeline. Today’s Jews are descendants of Israelites. It is also trivially simply to disprove “It was always Palestine”. It was made up by Romans. Again, much later than when Jewish people lived there.

Today's Israel has absolutely nothing to do with ancient Israel. They took on the name as propaganda, a cynically constructed state origin myth.

Really? Nothing?

It's the same people, on the same land, practicing the same religion, speaking the same language, with the same alphabet, with the same capital, with the same place names, with the same cities, with the same core texts, with the same national holidays.

But that's somehow nothing? At this point you'd have to actually work hard to figure out what's not the same.

Israel is an example of anti-colonialism, where the original inhabitants of the land were able to take it back from invaders.

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