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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by dash2 »

pessimizer wrote: post #295
dash2 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the whole, I’m inclined to agree, but didn’t South Africa eventually end apartheid because of sanctions?

Sanctions from individuals. The US did the opposite, and supported South Africa no matter what. Just like Israel - In both ways. Israel supported South Africa, and the US supported Israel. The dramatic sanctions against US citizens for refusing to buy from Israel and endorsing that people not buy from Israel are meant to prevent such a horrible thing as the fall of Apartheid from ever happening again.

This comment is mistaken. Many countries, including Japan from 1964, and eventually the US and UK, sanctioned SA officially. I doubt whether any boycott from individual US citizens had a serious economic effect compared to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during...

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

toolis wrote: post #169
slg wrote: post #64

>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. The "your decision" in that response is really off-putting. I know the law is what it is with sanctions like this. However, it is a failing of basic human empathy to blame other common citizens of a country for the actions of their government while we almost certainly do not endorse all…

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I'm a Russian citizen. I'm not okay with what my government is going. What do you suggest I do about it?

As it is, I can't even get rid of my Russian citizenship. The only option to renounce it requires doing so in person, and it can't be in a consulate - I'd have to travel to Russia for that to submit the request in person. But I doubt I'd get a chance to do so if I ever set foot there again - they arrested Ksenia Karelina in the airport and imprisoned her for 12 years for the crime of giving $50 to some generic Ukrainian charity; I give hundreds of dollars every month specifically to crowdfund drones and thermals for Ukrainian units.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

fruitworks wrote: post #544
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why stop at citizens? Why aren’t all humans responsible? You can’t just sit on the sidelines and say “well I am not responsible for what my fellow humans do”.

My tax money doesn't support the iranian government

It does support the genocide in Palestine, though.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

Hilift wrote: post #563
tgma wrote: post #15

The sad part about living in Iran from a technology perspective is you are often blocked from both sides. Often you have to circumvent the government's aggressive internal firewall and other times you will have to hide your IP from the service providers. On the bright side, your average Iranian grandma can immediately work as a network engineer given the amount of experience she has with VPN protocols.

Using a VPN doesn't prevent the Iranian authorities from detecting that you are using a VPN. It isn't a secure or safe alternative in Iran, particularly with the noisy way it is usually thrown together.

Indeed, which is why things like V2LESS and Trojan exist (and people learn how to set them up and use them).

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

jwr wrote: post #251
bez00m wrote: post #149

As someone who also sees this kind of messages fairly often, I always wondered about companies/individuals who voluntarily (not being forced by law, that's another story) block their users by IPs coming from bad countries... The message always goes along the lines of "you're murderer and rapist, we hate you". I still need to find a person who managed to change their political stance after seeing something similar. I…

> just an advice to all wannabe overseas-dictatorship-overthrowers - be nice, try to educate the people, don't make assumptions about person's wrongdoings and awareness based on their IP I can guarantee that your views would change very quickly if bombs started falling closer to where you sit and killing your friends and people you know.

Yes, when people are badly hurt, they will often lash out in hopes of hurting someone else, using the flimsiest excuses to justify it. It doesn't make it right or a good idea, though.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

sfn42 wrote: post #494
4gotunameagain wrote: post #156

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What should they do ? Stop working, or protest and risk getting killed ? It's easy to call for action from your comfortable life. No, the populace does not bear the same responsibility for the country's actions in all countries. Swiss with direct democracy bear much higher responsibility than systematically oppressed populace in other countries.

Well ideally they should peacefully replace the government with one that aligns with the people's alleged views. Failing that, I don't know. I guess they'll have to figure it out as they go. All I'm saying is it's their country, their responsibility. And for example in the case of Russia there's clearly widespread support for Putin and his war so I'm not really expecting nor calling for them to do anything about it.…

> And for example in the case of Russia there's clearly widespread support for Putin and his war so I'm not really expecting nor calling for them to do anything about it. I'm just saying I hold them responsible

Yes, there is widespread support for Putin and his war - but by this very reason, how can Russians who do not support Putin and his war can be held responsible for it? What do you expect this minority to do, exactly? You can't hold people responsible for not doing something if you can't even articulate what that something is is.

Your entire argument is premised on the notion that there's a coherent "them". But that is virtually never the case, even in popular dictatorships.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

ronsor wrote: post #729
phendrenad2 wrote: post #658

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You mean like the entire country of China?

China has local bootlegs, err... alternatives . Most countries don't have that.

Russia also has such alternatives.

Turns out that they aren't all that hard to develop once the original is unavailable, since lock-in is the main barrier to entry. In this sense, sanctions can sometimes have the opposite effect - by removing the established players from the market, they create opportunities for locals to fill the niches, making the country more self-sufficient in the long run, and thus harder to influence.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

int_19h wrote: post #785
tgma wrote: post #766

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> Proroguing in parliaments is nothing new or anti-democratic. He prorogued the parliament and was calling for a referendum to overthrow the monarchy against the Constitution. He was terminated by the monarch per Constitution, but he would not leave the post which resulted in uprising from both sides. > During that time two monarchs — Reza Shah Pahlavi and his son Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi — employed secret police,…

Are you seriously claiming that SAVAK wasn't a thing, or that it didn't employ torture? Or are you saying that the "golden era" justified such measures?

If you want to really argue this, you need to bring out specific claims one by one, as many have been either fake or overblown, or misattributed to SAVAK (acknowledged by the terrorists who taken over and are in charge now.) But in general, I do not believe it was anything out of the ordinary of the statecraft employed by the US or Britain in the Cold War era or arguably even the Bush era. In fact, post hoc, it is obvious they were too soft, as they released all these terrorists in the wild and let the country taken over. It is a failure of SAVAK and the security apparatus.

So yes, I would unequivocally argue to any extent the intelligence apparatus was actually operating, not only golden era objectively justifies those measures, but even for lots of the troublemakers themselves, turns out letting criminals loose to take over the country actually makes things worse; many of such Marxist-terrorists who claimed they were mistreated under the old regime were treated much much worse, or lost their lives, during the first years of the Mullah regime.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by int_19h »

dustedcodes wrote: post #318

This works as designed. Sanctions like these are meant to piss off the people living in terrorist states so that you either rise up and rid yourself of all terrorist roots or you accept that the rest of the world doesn’t want to play ball with terrorists or terrorist enablers.

Have you ever risen up against an authoritarian government yourself?

I find that a lot of Westerners seem to have what I can only charitably describe as "romantic notions" of an uprising. Americans perhaps the most because of their national mythology around the Independence War.

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