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Large banks like JPMorgan Chase are also looking into launching their own stablecoins, just because it has less regulation than normal banking. In fact Jamie Dimon himself says so. The idea is really simple: creating stablecoin deposit accounts for customers allows banks to skip existing customer protections that are normally afforded to traditional deposit accounts.

Stablecoins will end subject to just as much regulation as a normal bank, maybe even more. JPMorgan Chase, BofA, and their ilk have R&D budgets large enough to have already launched a dozen stablecoins by now. They haven't, not because they can't (on a technical level) but because they don't actually see the value to it (on a business level). They're simply paying lip service to crypto because it pumps up share value…

Is Uber subject to taxi regulations yet?

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Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? That's what makes banking tricky. When there are a surge of loan defaults across the banking system the money supply shrinks rapidly unless the government bails them out. Thus, the need for regulation. One reason the U.S government has to like stablecoins is because Tether is one of…

> Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? In a manner of speaking. You need to trust that the issuers have the reserve they claim. There's no way around this, unless the asset in reserve is equally ethereal (i.e. another cryptocurrency). Tether, for one, almost certainly doesn't have the reserves.

You would be surprised about tether though

They are now really backed. It might be they weren’t. Now they definitely are.

https://tether.to/en/transparency/?tab=usdt

All these years all this Fud and so far nobody demonstrated what you clam.

They are also the faster to block their stablecoin whenever there is a hack.

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> a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Stablecoin is not a technology. It's an excuse. An excuse to do what banks do while not being regulated like a bank or using the infrastructure banks use. Similar to how Airbnb is not a technology but an excuse to do what hotels do without hotel's license. So it makes no sense to compare it to database,…

Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? That's what makes banking tricky. When there are a surge of loan defaults across the banking system the money supply shrinks rapidly unless the government bails them out. Thus, the need for regulation. One reason the U.S government has to like stablecoins is because Tether is one of…

They do exactly this. Buying treasuries is a form of fractional reserve.

It's worth noting that no full-reserve bank has ever gotten a US banking license, even though many have tried.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large banks like JPMorgan Chase are also looking into launching their own stablecoins, just because it has less regulation than normal banking. In fact Jamie Dimon himself says so. The idea is really simple: creating stablecoin deposit accounts for customers allows banks to skip existing customer protections that are normally afforded to traditional deposit accounts.

Stablecoins will end subject to just as much regulation as a normal bank, maybe even more. JPMorgan Chase, BofA, and their ilk have R&D budgets large enough to have already launched a dozen stablecoins by now. They haven't, not because they can't (on a technical level) but because they don't actually see the value to it (on a business level). They're simply paying lip service to crypto because it pumps up share value…

Banks are already using stable coins internally (case in point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPM_Coin) it just hasn’t been made available externally yet.

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it will never be full available to us unlike bitcoin or ethereum? this is literally like a fast db? like you people here used to say. Finally HN is right and stripe founders joined on calling fast db a "blockchain" with lie. they will censor you and block you in blockchain level so literally db for few big companies, lol.

If you want to be censorship resistant, stick to decentralized blockchains (ethereum + bitcoin). There's still value in Tempo vs traditional payment rails - (much) lower fees, faster + 24/7 transactions.

>If you want to be censorship resistant, stick to decentralized blockchains (ethereum + bitcoin)

Both of these are the antithesis to censorship resistance because not only are all transactions publicly tracable but also non-fungible making censorship not only possible but viable on a large scale.

https://cryptodefendersalliance.com/blacklist

Monero is actual censorship resistant currency.

https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/fungibility....

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There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

It sounds great, but every time I see this argument, I end up going down the rabbit hole of actually studying how stablecoins operate. And every time, I come to the same conclusion: they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Bitcoin (and possibly a few others) is one of…

slower transaction processing is more profitable, because banks can profit from interest in the interim. It's not some law of nature that it can't be done faster.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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Co-founder of Lopay here, we're a small but heavy Stripe user with £1B+ processed across Connect, Terminal, Identity, Instant payouts, Issuing... you name it.

We're looking at stable coins for the following use cases:

1. Instant clearing and settlement of 'floats' & liquidity - EG moving liquidity between our network to support instant/same day payouts or instant funding of a spend card.

2. Instant cross border payments (lots of people doing this already in companies that operate multinationally). EG, our USD top-ups today take 3 days in fiat, which can cause operational issues.

3. Offering our merchants (who are typically small businesses) optionality to hold USD in countries that have volatile currencies.

I'll also note that many people forget that the cost of a payment network isn't merely the movement of money, it's also KYC, dispute resolution, fraud prevention etc...

I wonder if the tempo team has looked at AI automating dispute resolution and fraud detection/prevention 'on chain'.. The network could fund the compute required for the AI to complete these tasks.

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My first impression is that it perfectly combines all the drawbacks of blockchain technologies with the rigidity and restrictions of a centralized TradFi system.

Yeah I can't wait to run my operations on a KYC-guarded, AML-choked blockchain in the US jurisdiction.

(and I'm saying that as a huge crypto/blockchain optimist)

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds great, but every time I see this argument, I end up going down the rabbit hole of actually studying how stablecoins operate. And every time, I come to the same conclusion: they always rely on trust in an off-chain oracle or custodian. At that point, a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Bitcoin (and possibly a few others) is one of…

> a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Stablecoin is not a technology. It's an excuse. An excuse to do what banks do while not being regulated like a bank or using the infrastructure banks use. Similar to how Airbnb is not a technology but an excuse to do what hotels do without hotel's license. So it makes no sense to compare it to database,…

The issue with stablecoins is not just regulatory. They are fragile to market shocks.

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Stable coin is digital IOU. Where issuer makes the rules. I never got the idea how for that reason there is any guarantees that you can get money out in those less served locations.

Even in ANY jurisdiction you’d presumably need a contractual agreement with the issuer. IIRC only certain entities may redeem tether/USDC for cash. You at a minimum need an account! Not like I can just send those companies my tokens and get straight cash. The whole thing is just asinine. The killer use case for crypto is dodging laws & regulation. Not even judging because that’s REAL utility!

The vast majority of USDC(T) to cash transactions don’t happen through the redemption mechanism. The redemption mechanism is there for the purposes of holding the peg.
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