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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by fuzztester »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #441
dingnuts wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The grandparent was also wryly highlighting the crevasse between post-Nadella Microsoft's PR, which you seem to believe, and their actions. Despite "MS And poor Linux users are out here catching strays. Very "don't you say that about the $1T company!!!" of you to defend them, "fellow Linux user" (also very hi fellow kids..)

I try not to drink the Kool-Aid either on Microsoft's side (again, they are not necessarily my cup of tea), but the prevalence of the people with the "Hey! Remember that Steve Ballmer called Linux a cancer? Micro$$$hit!!" attitude sucks my energy dry.

if that's the case, you must not have had much energy to begin with.

Kool-Aid and tea can do that to you :)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by alex_suzuki »

alabhyajindal wrote: post #382
yoyohello13 wrote: post #8

I moved to GitLab a year or so ago. It’s been great, I actually prefer GitLab ci

Doesn't GitLab suffer from the same problem of pushing AI? They have many AI features, and position themselves as "The most-comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps platform".

I'm not using any AI features, and I'm not even aware of any, but I did see it on their website too and it's a bit concerning. My hope is that it's just something they have to say right now and not a strategic direction. Otherwise I will definitely switch to self-hosting, even though the managed CI/CD in the cloud has been working very well for me.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Einenlum »

Interesting that they always focus more on AI while their product is less and less usable. I want a usable and efficient pull request page, not useless AI features. Seems like the priorities are all wrong. The enshittification of GitHub is absolutely dramatic.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by marcus_holmes »

physix wrote: post #676
kokanee wrote: post #589

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Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

What's so evil about Netflix? They use Cassandra and make cool series ever now and then, like Love Death Robots. :-)

Cancelling popular shows in the second season because it makes marginally more money to do that

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

rahkiin wrote: post #498
jayd16 wrote: post #478

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If you're writing a server or a web app then its good and runs well. Visual Studio is still not ported to Linux or Mac, you need to use Rider or VSCode. If you use JetBrains for Java, using Rider will feel good no matter where you are. The GUI library situation is a tough one. In many ways its far more advanced than other languages but their newest attempt is not as good as the older Windows only API. But what other…

I do not understand the hungup on visual studio. We dont do the same for java, rust, or c… there are good IDEs for each of them and none are made by the maintainers of the language.

Java IDEs have historically been made by maintainers of the language.

Netbeans was a product acquired by Sun, Sun Forte was its "Professional" variant in Solaris, and Oracle still takes care of it in the context of Solaris and Oracle Linux.

Eclipse was a rewrite from Visual Age products, originall written in Smalltalk, by IBM, and IBM keeps being a Java vendor with their own implementations.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ed_elliott_asc »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

I think Jetbrians Rider and vscode being “good enough” to stop Microsoft investing in another IDE for Mac

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

maxrmk wrote: post #527
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Do you work in devdiv at Microsoft? I can see the org chart in this comment haha

No, but I code for Microsoft platforms since MS-DOS 3.3, so one gets to know how it all works, when having read so many docs, MSJ articles, MSDN, PDC and BUILD sessions, podcats and what not.

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Post by rapnie »

anglesideangle wrote: post #609
hinkley wrote: post #485

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I have PRs open on five different OSS projects at the moment. My throughput is being limited by trying to remember all the details of PRs I filed 3-6 weeks ago. I thinK I have to admit to myself that as little as I like github having all the projects, I'd be less effective having to track inboxes across half a dozen different hosting platforms. If you made something like Mastodon, where alerts propagate across instan…

The problem with a federation system like mastodon/activitypub is that relying on propagation hurts usability and discoverability. [tangled.sh]( https://tangled.sh/ ) is to federated forgejo what bluesky is to mastodon, where it relies on atproto to have decentralization without sacrificing ux

There is an ActivityPub protocol extension that is specific to federation of code forges, called ForgeFed. It is an NLnet funded project, that receives funding through EU Next Generation Internet programs. But the project is struggling, because of a lack of community help and implementers giving feedback to help steer and mature the specs.

https://forgefed.org

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rapnie »

rsolva wrote: post #344
beeb wrote: post #144

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People aren't on these hosted platforms only for the git experience, they are for the social aspects and discoverability too.

Forgejo is hard at work, defining and implementing federation, adding cross-forge interaction, social functionality and discovery: https://forgejo.org/faq/#is-there-a-roadmap-for-forgejo

Also check the ActivityPub protocol extension for forge federation at https://forgefed.org which may be on the roadmap [0] of the Forgejo federation support, after they have implemented basic ActivityPub protocol support. Right now ForgeFed needs to mature a lot further, but also needs the help of the developer community to achieve that.

[0] https://codeberg.org/forgejo-contrib/federation/src/branch/m...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by gloxkiqcza »

jwrallie wrote: post #747
nobleach wrote: post #397

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If that's what you "mostly" remember, your memory is awfully selective. It's totally fine for you to have a bias, but you're overlooking decades of massively successful products and services. Having owned plenty of Thinkpads (Linux), Dells(Windows and Linux) and plenty of Macbook Pros, I can say, Apple's superiority of hardware is so far beyond the rest. Having an OS with a BSD-ish experience is really nice as well.…

I don’t get your comment, do you mean superiority in what? Are you comparing operating systems or hardware? The combined experience? If you asked me 2 years ago I would say something different about Linux than I would said today, because I’m running a different distribution with a different desktop environment and that changed my experience completely, even though I’m running on basically the same hardware. I run Lin…

Off-topic: What were you running before and what are you running now? And are we talking about laptop use?
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