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Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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There's no force but Google can now leverage the data from Wiz to target good customers for other services.

How is this not a good thing for everyone involved? Or am I wrong for reading the comment in a tone that I perceived to be critical?

I dunno, I don't like the anti-trust implications (using Wiz data to target companies on AWS/Azure) but other than that I don't really care.

That's probably cos I am far away from this space.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Perhaps I should have been clearer, but especially compared to the rest of the enterprise tech market, security is unusually fragmented. There is no Microsoft or Cisco of the security market in the way those companies dominate the desktop operating system and core networking markets, respectively. Analysts sometimes refer to the enterprise networking market as "Cisco and the Seven Dwarves". Nobody has ever said that…

Microsoft is the Microsoft of the enterprise security market, more or less. They completely dominate email, largely dominate identity, have a plurality if not a majority on endpoint, but don't compete in network. > The industry slowly converged on EDR as the sort-of successor to endpoint AV budgets. This was a dedicated effort by CrowdStrike working with analysts back in 2017-2018. EDR capabilities themselves, intere…

> Microsoft is the Microsoft of the enterprise security market, more or less. They completely dominate email, largely dominate identity, have a plurality if not a majority on endpoint, but don't compete in network.

The most recent figures I’ve seen are that Microsoft has around 25% of the endpoint market[0], which is a plurality because the market is so fragmented. Proofpoint claims around 24% of the email security market[1].

The only security market you can say they “dominate” is identity, if you ignore the MFA market. AD is, at least, almost everywhere.

> This was a dedicated effort by CrowdStrike working with analysts back in 2017-2018.

That’s one interpretation of events. It’s also completely orthogonal to what I wrote.

0 - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2024/08/21/mic...

1 - https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/p...

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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post #744

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No, there isn't. There is exactly zero nuance in phenomena like death camps, torture camps and the systematic murder and torture of children and so on. If this is something you engage in, then you cannot be expected to be treated as a sane, full person. If you do this, or defend this, then you should expect harsh resistance, because that is a legitimate and ethical response. It is telling that your fantasy about "Ham…

> The palestinians do not have the capability to do "extreme violence", they just don't have the materials and tools and suppliers needed, because they suffer under occupation or in refugee camps. They did. They used that capacity to kill as many people as they could - they reached around 1200 people (+ 250 more kidnapped - many of whom died later) which is not a lack of capacity, and then the war started. Now they h…

Those numbers are pathetic compared to the suffering caused by the israeli occupation of palestinians.

The palestinian armed groups had a lot more weaponry than they brought along on October 7th, in an operation that was explicitly aimed at military personnel and bases, as detailed in the israeli report published a while back. They concluded for example that the palestinians in the unorganised second wave arrived at the Nova festival because they couldn't find the way to a military base.

It is unknown how many of those 1200 were killed by friendly fire. From widely circulated photos it has to be a rather large portion, and you also fail to mention that a lot of those people were soldiers and other combatants.

It's not a war, it's a genocidal occupation that is met with puny resistance. You should stop lying and get help to leave zionism.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Google has some amazing negotiating skills - paying 50% more for something they literally tried to get not even a year ago... (they tried to get it at 23 billing not even a year ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41042034 That being said, Instagram and WhatsApp were expensive for Facebook and those ended up being a steal. Time will tell, as usual.

Turns out McKinsey is really bad at business and letting a McKinsey ghoul run your company is a good way to run it into the ground.

What do you know, Assaf Rappaport also worked at McKinsey.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Tight networks largely. THey've invested heavily into having these "assets" in US tech companies, and so pro-Israel folks in the US work hard to acquire them in. See [1] to see the flow of people. I explain the connections a lot in [2], and [3] is our initiative to work on it. [1] https://www.instagram.com/p/DAYsSPxpHFP/?img_index=1 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxvaembyMcQ&list=PLjHqnRFDnc... [3] https://www.e…

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I think you might be missing the scale of the destruction and oppression of Palestine by Israel. Just look at what they did to Gaza https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-20415675

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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post #753

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Wiz does many things. VPN, by any definition, is not one of them.

Where do you see Wiz in the above list of products in the post I'm responding to? In any case, as for wiz..., if companies want to stuff their secrets into a proprietary product that is controlled by intelligence officers of a hostile (as in a lack of respect for international law) foreign country, I don't care. I know I would not.

This thread is talking about Wiz. The comment you responded to was about the fact that security company founders often have intelligence community backgrounds and/or come from adversary states (from a US/European perspective.) It had nothing to do with VPN.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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post #192

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Ami Luttwak apparently liked the first category enough to become a Talpiot program graduate and hence deepen his ties to it.

I struggle to see the issue here. Your perspective remains extremely polarized, regardless of the individual involved. You fail to grasp the conflict’s complexity and, as a result, demonize everyone associated with it. Just because someone joins the Israeli army doesn’t mean they endorse every action taken by Israel; They enlist because they understand that, Israel being such a small country won't exist without an ar…

Maybe if you explained that supposed complexity and didn't stop at an ad hominem argument your first parapgraph might have had some weight, but you didn't.

There is very little complexity to the "conflict". A political movement supported by antisemites wanting to get rid of jews at home established a state through displacement and eradication of the indigenous population. This state has continued applying these kinds of policies to the indigenous population and neighbouring states, and is dependent on foreign aid and the atrocious pillage of other countries, e.g. to support israeli diamond exports.

After the second world war there was an informal consensus that states that participate in genocide do not deserve sovereignty, a position that has since been eroded, in part by the main supplier of the israeli occupation. I understand how people that grow up in fiercely chauvinist and expansionist societies that are groomed since preschool to participate in military apartheid activities have trouble resisting these, which is why I don't believe israeli society can be a part of the solution to its occupation in the short term.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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It is a very legitimate tool. It identifies misconfigurations and vulnerabilities in cloud deployments. Anything from a container with a known-vulnerable package in the manifest to a workload with improper firewall rules.

Isn't this what tool like MEND or Black Duck (formerly Synopses)?

I understand those (I haven’t used them) to primarily be about software composition analysis. Wiz does that, but they are mainly known for Cloud Security Posture Management (the “you have an exposed S3 bucket”, “you have a workload with no inbound firewall”, “etc.”) and integrating things like SCA to increase alert fidelity (do you care as much that a workload has an inbound ACL allowing MongoDB connections from the Internet if the workload isn’t running MongoDB?)

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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most people here are also in security and still haven't heard. It's more likely backroom kickbacks (and/or mossad) than invisible unicorn.

If a security firm could blackmail Google, what would that look like?

It's cheaper to, well, you know.
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