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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by jtwaleson »

Jensson wrote: post #787
jtwaleson wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large parts of my coding are now done by Claude/Cursor. I give it high level tasks and it just does it. It is honestly incredible, and if I would have see this 2 years ago I wouldn't have believed it.

That started long before ChatGPT though, so you need to set an earlier date then. ChatGPT came about 3 years after GPT-3, the coding assistants came much earlier than ChatGPT.

But most of the coding assistants were glorified autocomplete. What agentic IDEs/aider/etc. can now do is definitely new.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by ruibiks »

wordpad25 wrote: post #568
stevage wrote: post #528

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Huh. Disregarding the 4.5-specific bit here, a browser extension or possibly website that did this in general could be really useful. Maybe even something that just noticed whenever you visited a site that had had significant HN discussion in the past, then let you trigger a summary.

there are literally hundreds of extensions and sites that do this the problem is that they are competing each other into the ground hence they go unmaintained very quickly getrecall.ai has been the most mature so far

Hey, check this one out with all the different flavors that existed out there. I think I made something better. https://cofyt.app

As far as I am aware, feel free to test it head-to-head. This is better than gecall, and you can chat with a transcript for detailed answers to your prompts

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by taurath »

harlanlewis wrote: post #53
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

The price really is eye watering. At a glance, my first impression is this is something like Llama 3.1 405B, where the primary value may be realized in generating high quality synthetic data for training rather than direct use. I keep a little google spreadsheet with some charts to help visualize the landscape at a glance in terms of capability/price/throughput, bringing in the various index scores as they become ava…

What gets me is the whole cost structure is based on practically free services due to all the investor money. They’re not pulling in significant revenue with this pricing relative to what it costs to train the models, so the cost may be completely different if they had to recoup those costs, right?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by madduci »

zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

Let's see if DeepSeek will make a distillation of this model as well

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by player1234 »

johnthewise wrote: post #285
sebastiennight wrote: post #134

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In a subscription business, you don't want the user to use as few resources as possible. It's the wrong optimization to make. You want users to keep coming back as often as possible (at the lowest cost-per-run possible though). If they are not coming back they are not renewing. So, yes, it makes sense to make answers shorter to cut on compute cost (which these SMS-length replies could accomplish) but the main point o…

AI subscriptions are already very sticky . I can't imagine at least not paying for one, so I doubt they care about retention like the rest of us plebs do.

First imagine paying a subscription fee which actually makes the company profitable and gives investors ROI, then I think you can also imagine not paying that amount at all.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by yurishimo »

fergonco wrote: post #758
netdevphoenix wrote: post #756

Is it official then? Most of us have been waiting for this moment for a while. The transformer architecture as it is currently understood can't be milked any further. Many of us knew this since last year. GPT-5 delays eventually led to non-tech voices to suggest likewise. But we all held our final decision until the next big release from OpenAI as Sam Altman has been making claims about AGI entering the workforce thi…

> will nonetheless make people's lives better Probably not the lives of translators or graphic designers or music compositors. They will have to find new jobs. As llm prompt engineers, I guess.

Graphic designers I think are safe, at least within organizations that require a cohesive brand strategy. Getting the AI to respect all of the previous art will be a challenge at a certain scale.

Fiverr graphic designers on the other hand…

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by Curzel »

I have no idea why they bothered releasing it, but, as we saw with the other models, they will eventually release a 4.5-turbo (or a 4.5o) of sorts that is in line with current pricing

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by NoGravitas »

OutOfHere wrote: post #722
fragmede wrote: post #355

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Humans have all sorts of issues you have to deal with. Being hungover, not sleeping well, having a personality, being late to work, not being able to work 24/7, very limited ability to copy them. If there's a soulless generic office-droidGPT that companies could hire that would never talk back and would do all sorts of menial work without needing breaks or to use the bathroom, I don't know that we humans stand a chan…

Once we get to that stage, unless you're a capitalist, remember that your job is next in line to be replaced.

Every tech drone in every cubicle considers themselves a temporarily embarrassed capitalist.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

JohnMakin wrote: post #182

Their example for 4.5 on "having a tough time": > I’m going through a tough time after failing a test > > Aw, I'm really sorry to hear that. Failing a test can feel pretty tough and discouraging, but remember, it's just one moment—not a reflection of who you are or your capabilities. Want to talk about what happened, or do you just need a distraction? I'm here either way. vs 4o: >I’m going through a tough time after…

I think both responses are bizarre and useless. Is there a single person on earth who wouldn't ask questions like "what kind of test?", "why do you think you failed?", "how did you prepare for the test?" before giving advice?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

swatcoder wrote: post #57
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

There's a decent chance this model was originally called GPT-5, as well.
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