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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#791
I honestly don't understand why Mozilla isn't succeeding with a "privacy subscription" where for $100/year (or $20/month or something) you get a full kit of digital sovereignty tools. Password manager, Mozilla, email with privacy features, secure file transfer, ephemeral cards...

I'm genuinely curious if people can comment why this isn't working -- because it seems like they've actually already tried versions of this!

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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post #501

> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information, Taken literally it means that when I use Firefox to upload a file to a customer's web site Mozilla is getting that file too, which does not seem likely. They could get a copy of the text I'm typing right now in Firefox or it means that the browser could do some local pro…

As the browser runs locally on our machine, surely its possible to just block firefox phoning home by DNS black holes or even hosts file or something?

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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post #437

To Mozilla: if your intentions are indeed good as you claim in your post[1], then update the ToS accordingly. Chrome is removing µBlock origin, I and probably a lot of other users saw this as a good moment to promote Firefox to our relatives, you are missing a chance and alienating your user base here. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/fi...

> Finally, you are in control. We’ve set responsible defaults that you can review during onboarding or adjust in your settings at any time: These simple, yet powerful tools let you manage your data the way you want. "simple yet powerful tools" (derogatory) is how i would describe the windows popup that gives you the choice between setting up a microsoft account now or being nagged about it later

‘“Simple yet powerful tools” (derogatory)’ is my new favorite phrase I think. It seems like it has wide applications outside tech as well.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure this is about Mozilla services . AFAICT, Firefox itself is licensed under the https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Public_License and as such doesn't put any restrictions on how you use the software.

That's the Firefox source code though, not necessarily the Firefox binary. A Visual Studio Code situation, basically.

I don't think they use a separate EULA for the binaries. I've found this:

> Mozilla software is made available to you under the terms of the Mozilla Public License 2, a free software license, which gives you the right to run the program for any purpose, to study how it works, to give copies to your friends and to modify it to meet your needs better. There is no separate End User License Agreement (EULA).

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/eula/

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#796
post #785

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I should point out, it seems daft to me when others suggest using forks with no well-established governance of their own, essentially shifting trust from an organisation at least answerable to certain regulations, to individuals with no proper framework or guidelines Individuals that care about these things have a far better track record than any business with employees, bills to pay, and investors.

Until that individual tires of the work, and then stops working on it completely or sells it to someone with less scruples or the project gets hijacked by malicious actor.

Aren’t the latter two more or less what happened to Firefox?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#797
As Far as I can understand, Firefox is paid by Google just to justify chrome is not the only choice, and avoid anti-trust lawsuit.

I read the Google money are the true income, and it is a pity, because this technology merits more now than in the past.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#798

The problem I have with these kinds of hot-takes is that they often don't tell the full story, and it's seemingly for the purpose of generating rage. For some inexplicable reason, this guy truncates the paragraph from the Terms of Use, repackaging the information without a key part of the final sentence: "....to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."…

I generally wait before jumping on the outrage-train for this reason, but two things stand out: - Mozilla explicitly deleting "we don't sell your data" statements across their documentation - Following up to criticism that the statement is vague, bullshitty and open to interpretation with statements that are even more vague, bullshitty and open to interpretation. By now, they've had time to notice that something is n…

They didn't delete it. Go to the github diff they reference and check. It's still there. They just removed it from one of the JSON files but people here aren't actually checking facts, they're just jumping on the hate train.

See: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b...

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#799

I honestly don't understand why Mozilla isn't succeeding with a "privacy subscription" where for $100/year (or $20/month or something) you get a full kit of digital sovereignty tools. Password manager, Mozilla, email with privacy features, secure file transfer, ephemeral cards... I'm genuinely curious if people can comment why this isn't working -- because it seems like they've actually already tried versions of this…

Google pays them south of a $billion/year. Your money means nothing.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#800

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

Welp, they stopped being open source, then. From the OSD: 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

AFAICT there is no restriction on the application itself: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/eula/
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