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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by account42 »

scarab92 wrote: post #785
account42 wrote: post #773

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Social media platforms shouldn't play internet police in the first place. We need to preserve our ability to communicate via impartial carries. I don't want the mailman to decide what letters I can send. I do not want the telephone company to decide what calls I can make. I don't want online replacements of them to make any such decisions either. The problem isn't links to scam sites posted on X/whatever, the problem…

You're framing this as an XY problem, but it isn't really an XY problem. In XY problems the problem solver has the ability to solve the root problem instead of the presented one. However, X has zero ability to go into the jungles of Myanmar and fight off the armed militias which are paid to protect the compounds of literally thousands of scammers.

What you are arguing for is corporate vigilantism. Not having the ability or authority to do things properly does not entitle you do enact your own vision of justice, and it definitely does not protect you from criticism when your "solution" ends up having negative consequences for innocent people.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by nailer »

doodlebugging wrote: post #745
nailer wrote: post #709

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> The Inspectors General and their OIG employees are the federal employees with the mandate to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in every federal program regardless of size. There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security and America is funding trans comic books for children in Peru. Do you think the OIG was doing a good job?

I'm gonna break this down into pieces that are easier for you to swallow. >There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security... Your powers of reasoning are taking a siesta if you believe this. It begs the question of how many people not only in America, but globally, are in the age group 150-159 years old? You claim that there are more than one million in the US alone. I have work…

> On completion of the audit, it was concluded that correcting the database would waste money and effort so instead, new methods were introduced to help eliminate payments to non-qualifying recipients through a couple of initiatives called "Do Not Pay" and "Earnings After Death".

Thanks, that's a useful addition to the conversation.

> All things considered here I think you were a little fish swimming in search of food somewhere in the Sea of Misinformation which I can assure you is located between the west coast of Florida and the east coast of Texas.

If we're doing insults, which seems to be the new law on HN, you seem like a cunt.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by doodlebugging »

nailer wrote: post #792
doodlebugging wrote: post #745

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I'm gonna break this down into pieces that are easier for you to swallow. >There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security... Your powers of reasoning are taking a siesta if you believe this. It begs the question of how many people not only in America, but globally, are in the age group 150-159 years old? You claim that there are more than one million in the US alone. I have work…

> On completion of the audit, it was concluded that correcting the database would waste money and effort so instead, new methods were introduced to help eliminate payments to non-qualifying recipients through a couple of initiatives called "Do Not Pay" and "Earnings After Death". Thanks, that's a useful addition to the conversation. > All things considered here I think you were a little fish swimming in search of foo…

>If we're doing insults, which seems to be the new law on HN, you seem like a cunt.

That's pretty funny. I can assure you that as someone who spent 40 years working in the oil and gas industry your insult looks really green to me.

Thanks for jumping on the recycling initiative.

In our work profanity is a tool wielded by everyone for any situation whether it seems appropriate or not. We invent new insults and epithets instead of recycling all these ancients. We're at the forefront of insult technology every time a new worm shows up at the wellsite or a situation goes from rosy to catastrophic.

It makes the day go by, and so here I just made it through another 15 minutes with a chuckle.

Thanks.

EDIT: The more I think about it, reminiscing about all those glory days out in the oil patch, with that simple insult you may have just qualified as a potential friend. You're gonna need to up your game a bit though since most of my friends have multi-syllable nicknames for me, and I for them.

If you're in Texas maybe we could go get some ribs somewhere sometime and talk about things unrelated to right-wing jesus and his disciples.

In the meantime, since I know you must be bored from reading all this, here's a comic for you to enjoy. [0]

[0]https://www.scribd.com/document/825254795/The-Power-of-Educa...

Of course it's the one the DoS spent $32000 on. I figured you were unlikely to follow any of the links in the references I gave.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by scarab92 »

account42 wrote: post #791
scarab92 wrote: post #785

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You're framing this as an XY problem, but it isn't really an XY problem. In XY problems the problem solver has the ability to solve the root problem instead of the presented one. However, X has zero ability to go into the jungles of Myanmar and fight off the armed militias which are paid to protect the compounds of literally thousands of scammers.

What you are arguing for is corporate vigilantism. Not having the ability or authority to do things properly does not entitle you do enact your own vision of justice, and it definitely does not protect you from criticism when your "solution" ends up having negative consequences for innocent people.

X can't stop the scammers, they can only block them or ignore them.

99% of the public would prefer they block them than overlook them, and you're out of touch if you think otherwise.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by doodlebugging »

claudenm wrote: post #786
doodlebugging wrote: post #745

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I'm gonna break this down into pieces that are easier for you to swallow. >There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security... Your powers of reasoning are taking a siesta if you believe this. It begs the question of how many people not only in America, but globally, are in the age group 150-159 years old? You claim that there are more than one million in the US alone. I have work…

Great work. I'm sure the brain-rotted OP will be back to regurgitate whatever he read on twitter and completely ignore your debunking.

Thanks for this reply.

I think the part that tells the real story here that I forgot to add in that wall of text most won't read is that each of those links came up in the first 5 results for the simple searches I ran on DDG.

If any effort had been expended at all in attempting to understand whether anything in musk's post was accurate then they would easily have been able to find several high quality breakdowns from non-partisan sites.

Instead they made a choice to echo something, incorrectly too, that they thought they read somewhere. Didn't even provide a link.

I think if HN was to modify any rules that would improve the quality of discussions on contentious subjects that frequently devolve into unproductive political arguments then the posting rule could be changed to require posting of links to arguments that you are trying to make so that everyone can see the supporting data behind your beliefs and judge for themselves whether they should change their own beliefs or poke fun at the poster for believing nonsense.

Back when reddit was still a one-pager they tried to maintain a standard of backing up claims with data to support the claims. Over the years it has devolved into the site we have today where most posters do as this guy did and post simple one line replies to everything.

It's a hit and run way of trying to bring someone around to your way of thinking without giving them a reason to do so.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by insane_dreamer »

_heimdall wrote: post #722
insane_dreamer wrote: post #708

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> The NY Times isn't required to write an article I submit to them for example, that's no different than Twitter deciding not to keep a post a write I generally agree with your point about private companies and the 1A. However, the NYT and Twitter/X are fundamentally different in that the NYT is not a user platform but rather a media company who decides what it wants to publish--meaning that is it's stated goal. Twit…

We pretty much agree here. The contradiction of claiming free speech while doing things like banning Signal links is frustrating for sure. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I've gotten too cynical to believe any company or rich individual making a business deal to actually tell the truth - its all marketing at that point.

> I've gotten too cynical to believe any company or rich individual making a business deal to actually tell the truth - its all marketing at that point

I think that's reality, not cynicism

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by muddi900 »

Gormo wrote: post #362
_heimdall wrote: post #336

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Freedom of speech, at least in the US, is a concern specifically with the government censoring citizens' speech. The Twitter files are a recent example of the government partnering with private corps to censor, so that's a fair argument, but in general a private company can't violate free speech by deciding what kind of content they want allowed. Is it shitty that they censor? Absolutely. But is it a constitutional v…

> Freedom of speech, at least in the US, is a concern specifically with the government censoring citizens' speech. Well, no -- you're conflating "freedom of speech" as a general concept with the first amendment as a legal principle. The first amendment is specifically the mechanism of law we use to ensure that freedom of speech is respected in our interactions with the political state. The first amendment doesn't app…

Your definitions of social norms ass backwards.

Cultural norms dictate some modicum of restraint on everyone. You have no obligation to tolerate me if I call your wife a whore. Any given community has its social norms that dictate what you can and can't say. To force them to accept "unacceptable" speech would violate freedom of speech itself.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by [deleted] »

handoflixue wrote: post #714
ruune wrote: post #670

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Tell me more. I live here and have never encountered a situation where I was not allowed to express my opinions in a systematic way. So I don't know but would be delighted to

Are we counting the UK? Because that one's really easy to find examples of - just google "UK arresting protestors", maybe throw in "Queen" or "Royal". They really, really don't like the anti-monarchists. You might also look into things like the French ban on hijab in sporting events, and how that played out at the 2024 Olympics. There's a lot of results concerned with religion - Germany has been using it's anti-semit…

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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by soulofmischief »

account42 wrote: post #783
torlok wrote: post #718

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AfD is a Nazi party, and nobody's silencing them, despite overwhelming opposition in all EU countries. If you listen to EU parliament speeches, there's all kinds of radical political views being shared during debates. Vance came to Europe to peddle US culture wars and got laughed out.

The established political parties in Germany are in fact trying to silence the AfD - precisely because they are gaining support amongs the population that is no longer represented by the established parties.

My, this narrative sounds familiar... Almost like it's been peddled in Germany before, 80 years ago.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by timacles »

genewitch wrote: post #746
timacles wrote: post #705

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This is all ignoring that we live in a world almost completely dominated by disinformation. The media have clearly aligned themselves to not report on whats actually happening. Right wing supporters get a carefully curated "view" of whats going on. Left wing media pushes outrage over ever minuscule detail while purposefully obfuscating whats really going on. > This is exactly the type of outcome Trump supporters were…

The sky is still falling? I especially like the part about the media not reporting on what's actually happening.

You are the frog sitting in the pot of water on the stove. All you are saying is that no one turned on the gas yet
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