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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hmcq6 »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #629
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

>And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government that is actively at work undermining democratic structures and civil rights even inside the state As opposed to the neighboring states (and Hamas), which mostly have religiously tolerant, fully democratic governments that fully respect civil rights, and which of course have never openly stated that they want Israel to disappear from exis…

> undermining democratic structures and civil rights even inside the state

Who killed Rabin?

Israelis killed their own PM to prevent the Oslo Accords, the goal of the Oslo Accords was to provide a 2 state solution.

Don't rewrite history.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by neom »

tptacek wrote: post #350

Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…

Unrelated to your central point but, I suspect these types of things never really die? Where philosophy (be it social, religious or otherwise) is the driver. Al Qaeda is back on the rise in a meaningful way and it's been how long? Do we have examples from history where terrorist groups like Hamas or Al Qaeda actually fully died? Even in Japan Aum Shinrikyo converted to Aleph and I think(?) is still running. I really do pray we can one day come to a peaceful and harmonious understanding of each other, regardless of our differing perspectives, it often makes me quite sad.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by kgwgk »

hmcq6 wrote: post #781
ta20240528 wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. I submit that you have a responsibility to be comprehensive when posting.

> All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. You're confusing Al-Qaeda with Muslims.

> Asked if acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet Muhammad can "never be justified", 68% [of British Muslims] agreed that such violence was never justifiable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196

You’re confusing Al-Qaeda with one third of Muslims living in a Western country.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by wat10000 »

bko wrote: post #237
Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Honest question, but why haven't there been "I will sacrifice everything to wipe [country]" generations sowing havoc on neighbors after Dresden, Nagasaki, Nanjing or others?

Dresden and Nagasaki, we managed to convince them they were at fault to some degree.

Nanjing, well, Chinese sentiment is still very anti-Japan because of that and all the other atrocities. And proportionally to size/population, the destruction visited on Gaza in the past year and a quarter goes far beyond what Japan did in China.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by woodruffw »

malandrew wrote: post #507
robertoandred wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to pretend that Jews haven’t lived there for thousands and thousands of years, before the Arabs arrived?

In 1872, less than 4% of Palestine was Jewish. It was 17% in 1931. 33% in 1948 when Israel was formed. The vast vast majority of Jews in Israel now are Ashkenazi. Ashkenazis are from Khazaria and converted to Judaism between 740 and 920 AD. Even from this population, there is a bottleneck around 600 to 800 years ago where the population was down to 350 individuals [1]. By and large very very few Jews in Palestine/Isr…

You’re conflating two theories: one widespread, and one fringe. The theory that the Ashkenazi population experienced a bottleneck is widely accepted; claiming that Ashkenazim are actually a remnant of the Khazar Khanganate[1] is both fringe and typically associated with antisemitic conspiracies.

(Note that I say antisemitic, and not in a manner that involves conflation with Zionism: going against the overwhelming majority of generic evidence to make a claim about a Jewish ethnic group that doesn’t even majority reside in Israel reeks of a blood-and-boden anger against Jews because of who they are.)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by exe34 »

ignoramous wrote: post #646
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to school with some first generation Palestinians just 5-ish years ago. One of them had to miss an entire quarter because Israel just wouldn't allow him to leave. He has never been back to Palestine since then because another detainment or missed visa problem, etc. would derail his career.

> One of them had to miss an entire quarter because Israel just wouldn't allow him to leave Terrible. Even in the current ceasefire terms, there's an explicit provision to have Israel agree to let the injured leave for treatment to neighbouring countries and be allowed to come back to the Strip. Despite arguments to contrary, I can see why some claim it is an open-air prison .

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dralley »

hmcq6 wrote: post #781
ta20240528 wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. I submit that you have a responsibility to be comprehensive when posting.

> All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. You're confusing Al-Qaeda with Muslims.

The aperture is wider than just those who are already members of some terrorist organization or other.

e.g. the killing of Samuel Paty

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by apetrov »

hmcq6 wrote: post #781
ta20240528 wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. I submit that you have a responsibility to be comprehensive when posting.

> All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. You're confusing Al-Qaeda with Muslims.

well, the list a little bit longer

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by shprd »

Ambadassor wrote: post #724
SurgicalDoc_UK wrote: post #709

I welcome this ceasefire with caution. Israel are still currently bombing Gazan homes and the death toll is still growing. There is always a risk it is temporary for further tactical gain. A poll showed 60% of Israelis wanted a ceasefire but the 40% who want the war to continue are making a big noise. Violence was never going to take down a resistance group, we all knew this. I don’t think there can be a future with…

> Israel are still currently bombing Gazan homes And Gaza are still currently launching missiles at Israel.

> And Gaza are still currently launching missiles at Israel.

Sources please?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dralley »

pjc50 wrote: post #746
presentation wrote: post #742

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It pretty obviously has to do with Israeli/US action by wrecking Hezbollah, and eroding Russian and Iranian deterrence.

Assad was not being propped up by Hezbollah!

If you are able to string that series of words together with a question mark, you have absolutely no business speaking authoritatively about the Syrian conflict.

Yes, Hezbollah was propping Assad up. They actively intervened in the civil war on his side and were responsible for several mass atrocities in Syria including blockading villages to starvation and mass executions. They have been involved since the very beginning of the conflict in 2011.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_involvement_in_the...

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