Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Why Canada Should Join the EU

economist.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

791–800 of 823 posts

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#791

Post by 3vidence »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #727
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s an immigrant community that refused to integrate into the culture that existed there before them. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, you're in need of a major history lesson, like how the British first basically committed genocide with the expulsion of the Acadia French, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians , and then when they realized that was a collosal fuck up they explicitly put policies in place to…

Where did the Acadians come from? Sounds like another immigrant enclave.

Again I think you might need to educate yourself on Canadian history.

The French that founded Quebec where here predated the English that eventually founded the county of Upper / Lower Canada... You might have a misunderstanding of what the term immigrant means.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#792

Post by 3vidence »

epolanski wrote: post #655
3vidence wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you say you can't spot a homeless person in Canada??? This literally can't be true every single large city in Canada is struggling with increasing homelessness right now. Do you live in a cabin up in Muskoka??

I admit I've been there only once for a month in 2017 but I meant that the situation was better than what I saw in the US at the same time. I have stayed in Hamilton, Lake Ontario and traveled Toronto, Quebec area, etc.

Fair enough! I must say you would be very surprised how much Canada has changed in the last 8 - 10 years. Its pretty astonishing

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#793

Post by 3vidence »

gruez wrote: post #707
3vidence wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? You would think to combat birthdates you would increase immigration to an appropriate level not 10x it in 5 years. Secondly immigration has a complicated affect on demographics since the people coming are generally 21 or older which is very clearly different than a birth which starts at 0 years old

>If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? ...because of immigration? Birth rates have been far below replacement for decades now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_Fertility_Rate_of_C...

I don't think 10x your immigrant population in 2 years is demographically the same as a natural population growth over 10 years.

They result in 2 very different distributions. One having a very large segment of the population in one specific age category. Which also puts a lot of pressure on systems / infrastructure that is relevant to that category.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#794

Post by 3vidence »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #593
jt2190 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is in a demographic crisis: The birthrate is too low, the population is aging and the country can’t afford to provide people with all of the social benefits AND have no laborers paying in to the benefit system. Importing lots of young labor rebalances the demographics and bolsters funding of benefits, at the expense of a housing crisis and social tensions. The alternative is to deeply cut benefits, which is po…

Mass Low skill immigration decreases productivity per capita and reduces wealth.

If anyone has wondered this Canada in the past 10 years should be a fantastic case study. It seems almost embarrassingly clear from the data that these 2 factors have a strong correlation / causation.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#795

Post by 3vidence »

bawolff wrote: post #648
remarkEon wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Housing isn't the only thing that "solves" immigration issues. The immigrants have to, you know, assimilate. For whatever reason this step has been deleted from the usual policy matrix, and as a result we've been running a great experiment over the last 20+ years in Canada, Europe, and the US.

I personally don't believe lack of assimilation is a siginificant driver of anti-immigrant sentiment in canada at present.

I have to ask based on this. Do you live in Canada?

Canada / India tensions is definitely a pretty core driver of the immigration sentiment in Canada.

Unfortunately in many ways Indian TFW have been linked to a large number of national crime stories in the past ~5 years that have caused a lot of anger in Canada.

* State sponsored assassination

* Gang bombing / shootings related to showing of Indian movies

* International student slaying entire family at their home

* Stolen car driving wrong way down highway killing entire family

* Country wide car theft ring

* Trafficking of narcotics across CAN-USA border

* Mass immigration / employment fraud

* Violent clashes outside of Mosques

These were literally off the top of my head and every story is specifically linked to Indian TFWs. Having grown up in Canada these types of stories were not common growing up and definitely weren't so specifically concentrated.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#796

Post by fweimer »

pas wrote: post #768
fweimer wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had not thought about it that way. It's not such a great deal if you feel you belong wherever you are living now in Europe, and view yourself a quasi-citizen and European (even in case if there's no realistic path to citizenship due to your personal circumstances).

Can you explain this in a bit more detail? Or maybe with a hypothetical example? What do you mean by no path to citizenship? Are there historical groups of jews somewhere in the EU without any passport?

Starting in the early 90s, Germany invited Jews from the Soviet Union to settle in Germany, but their ancestry was not considered German. Germany did not strip them of their citizenship during the Third Reich, so that type of right-of-return law did not apply, either. Some would have been hesitant to accept citizenship any way. (This was the time when refugee homes were burning in Germany, and the unconditional right to political asylum was abolished.) The effect at the time was hat professional qualifications weren't recognized, which meant that many did not have access to high-paying jobs. Previous pension contributions or equivalent in the CIS states are not recognized, either. The end effect today is that many among the older generation are dependent on non-pension welfare payments because the German state pension they receive is so low. This makes it impossible for them to obtain citizenship because of the self-sufficiency requirement.

Other persons whose ancestors emigrated from the Holy Roman Empire (long before Germany existed as a modern nation state) are considered Germans by blood, so it's not about the time of emigration from Germany. These decisions are arbitrary, and it's puzzling why Ashkenazi Jews are still not treated as having German ancestry.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#797

Post by Pet_Ant »

toenail wrote: post #11
tsimionescu wrote: post #6

> Canada’s inclusive treatment of its indigenous peoples, at least in recent decades, could be emulated by Europeans (though First Nations Canadians might fairly object to closer ties with ex-colonists) I really wonder what the author meant with this line. There's very few populations in Europe that bear any similarity whatsoever with the relationship between First Nations people and most Canadians, since most popula…

European nations still have plenty of overseas colonies.. err.. territories. As somebody from an ethnic minority that was eradicated through educational and cultural policies that sounds like a good idea even without the former.

Western European countries do. The list of European countries that never had colonies is much longer than the ones that did. You take away 4 England, France, Spain, Italy, and Belgium and you have almost no colonies and there are roughly 50 countries in Europe.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#798

Post by femiagbabiaka »

3vidence wrote: post #791
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the Acadians come from? Sounds like another immigrant enclave.

Again I think you might need to educate yourself on Canadian history. The French that founded Quebec where here predated the English that eventually founded the county of Upper / Lower Canada... You might have a misunderstanding of what the term immigrant means.

No, I understand perfectly. The difference between your definition and mine is that your definition of immigrant is “anyone who is not white”.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

#800

Post by louwrentius »

sumedh wrote: post #332
louwrentius wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In NL the housing shortage is blamed on immigrants whereas the actual reason for said shortage is absolutely the politics of the right-wing cabinets for the last 15 years who did nothing significant to improve the speed of housing construction. It’s not that strange as one of the political parties basically explicitly protects business interests and oh boy did they profit. It’s political nihilism.

> the politics of the right-wing cabinets for the last 15 years who did nothing significant to improve the speed of housing construction. Is the population rising because NL natives are having more kids or because new people coming in?

I see where you’re going for but asylum seekers aren’t the bulk of the immigrants, that’s Europeans that come here to work and do the work “we” don’t want to do, but is absolutely necessary to keep our country running.

We can kick them out for sure, but you won’t like the consequences.

Post reply on HN