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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by yndoendo »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

This would be like Telsa coming with new tech. Tesla / X-Twitter & Facebook / Meta are companies I will never financially support. They make money off propagating misinformation and their CEOs are not decent human-beings.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by isolli »

It's of course a matter of taste, but I don't think I will ever want to put such glasses between me and the world around me. It feels unnecessary, distracting, cumbersome, and slightly headache-inducing.

I made a bet 10 years ago with a friend that VR headsets would never gain wide adoption among the general public (back when Facebook bought Oculus), and I think it's fair to say I've won this bet. With these glasses, I'm not so sure, but if I had to, I would bet against them as well. Time will tell...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ineedasername »

I think bootstrapping a device like this into public acceptance will need a gradual approach, given current tech limits in size, weight, and the cross section w/ fashion. People often choose glasses to reflect the personality they want to display (accurate or not) and until the tech allows for this level of personal expression, widespread adoption will be close to impossible.

When I had a Note 2 in 2012, many found its size impractical or embarrassing. Acceptance came through clear utility, not just ubiquity.

For AR glasses to succeed, they need to prioritize seamless functionality. The more obtrusive the design, the higher the utility must be. Focus on a small set of functions— Loads can be done with voice, sound, and a simple visuals like 64x64 pixels. And offer a range of frame styles where the tech is noticeable but no more than an "ah, smart frames" from others.

*Edited for brevity of my run-ons

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by frankhorrigan »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #790
brtkdotse wrote: post #786

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> next consumer electronics platform I really hope this isn’t the case. We have enough screens around us as is, the last thing I want is screens pressed up against my eyeballs

it's not really a matter of if at this point, it's a when... it's the peak of screen technology that we've been hurtling towards for nearly 100 years

I really hope you’re wrong. I suspect that the future is technology which blends further into the background rather than being shoved closer to our faces.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by BlindEyeHalo »

tsimionescu wrote: post #645
benreesman wrote: post #358

I've long been a huge skeptic of the whole Metaverse project/undertaking, I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. But this is really interesting: it sounds like the display works, and it sounds like the puck is workable, and it sounds like both can squeak above the line in terms of battery life. If those things are true I may turn out to have been completely wrong. I don't know t…

Given that this is AR, not VR, and that AR has never even been as popular as VR outside a few industrial niches, I don't think this should change anything in your estimate of the value. Despite all the hype, the only thing that XR has ever been mildly popular for has been VR gaming. AR glasses can't do that well, since everything is transparent, instead of making you feel like part of the game world, so I would perso…

AR was never popular because there never has been a consumer device for it. When Google glass was first revealed there was a huge buzz for it.

Holo Lens hat the problem that it was both too expensive and too bulky.

If meta can make this sleek and affordable I can really see this picking up, I can think of many use cases where this would be better than both a smartphone and a VR headset:

- Navigation - Cooking - Interior design (like the IKEA app) - reading (holding a real book and 'click' on words to get definitions and translations like on an ereader) - music playing and instrument learning

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by jerf »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #232
jerf wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't. I miss when I didn't have to examine every new device to see what data about me it's going to Hoover up to some mothership to see how it can manipulate me to do things against my interest. But to the extent you're pitching it as some sort of reactionary lashing out against the bright glorious shining future... sorry. It's not me. It's tech. There has been a real change in the tech space. I used to just be a…

> If you are not actively guarding yourself against that, you're a victim of it, probably a great deal more than you realize Just check the website in their profile. Cryptocurrency, hell they had a role in Libra (fb coin that got shut down by the SEC i believe). Not a victim but a perpetrator.

I don't know if you mean that to counter my point, but I see it as support. Although crypto isn't really what I'm talking about on the new threat front, it's mostly made of old scams that have existed for a long time.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by hedora »

ineedasername wrote: post #793

I think bootstrapping a device like this into public acceptance will need a gradual approach, given current tech limits in size, weight, and the cross section w/ fashion. People often choose glasses to reflect the personality they want to display (accurate or not) and until the tech allows for this level of personal expression, widespread adoption will be close to impossible. When I had a Note 2 in 2012, many found i…

I wouldn’t say large phones were so much accepted as forced on people.

I hate my iPhone mini 13 because it is too fucking big for my giant hands.

However, at this point, carrying a phone is basically mandatory, and it (and the giant se3) were/are the smallest workable ones on the market.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by pj_mukh »

brtkdotse wrote: post #786
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> next consumer electronics platform I really hope this isn’t the case. We have enough screens around us as is, the last thing I want is screens pressed up against my eyeballs

I think the main question will be if Meta can run the glasses under a different business model than ads/personalization. I know Meta feels like they missed out on owning the hardware ecosystem with mobile, but a big part of why Apple's product work is because their business model is not ads.

If they can fix their incentives there it will address 80% of the concerns in this thread.

Counterintuitively I think a passive screen affixed to your face will reduce your reliance on all other screens. Glasses aren't a great form factor for scrolling feeds, but they are much better at connecting you to your physical world (which phones are the worst at). That plus just the posture improvements [1] that glasses can provide over the phone may make this a winner.

[1]: https://www.today.com/health/texting-neck-how-hunching-over-...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by commakozzi »

ActionHank wrote: post #789
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

"negativity" or people who are stating their perspective on a product. Was there a lot of engineering, novel problem solving, and even new invention? Yes. Does that matter to customers if it comes together in a product that they don't feel is good enough? No. For a site focused on tech and startups there is an awful lot of whiteknighting for companies who should know and do better.

it's a prototype...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by whiplash451 »

hedora wrote: post #797
ineedasername wrote: post #793

I think bootstrapping a device like this into public acceptance will need a gradual approach, given current tech limits in size, weight, and the cross section w/ fashion. People often choose glasses to reflect the personality they want to display (accurate or not) and until the tech allows for this level of personal expression, widespread adoption will be close to impossible. When I had a Note 2 in 2012, many found i…

I wouldn’t say large phones were so much accepted as forced on people. I hate my iPhone mini 13 because it is too fucking big for my giant hands. However, at this point, carrying a phone is basically mandatory, and it (and the giant se3) were/are the smallest workable ones on the market.

Have you considered the iphone SEs?
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