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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by bushbaba »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #778
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

it makes me think the Israeli decision-makers are trying to leave Hezbollah no choice but to escalate into a larger war. I think Hezbollah has been trying to avoid escalation into all out war, responding in limited proportionate ways despite Israel continuing to escalate. (Can you imagine if Hezbollah had detonated thousands of such devices in Israel? I'd be scared of a nuclear response). But Israeli leaders maybe de…

Or you know, 100,000+ Israelis had to leave their homes in north Israel for nearly 1 year. You also had Druze Arab children slaughtered by Hezbollah. So what options would Israel have here?

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by shmatt »

Taniwha wrote: post #745
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

Israel's economy is already in the toilet due to them becoming an International pariah because of the ongoing genocide - this will just make it worse

In the toilet? They practically run the world tech industry. Practically every GPU, laptop, and phone have a chip or sensor designed in Israel. FAANG companies keep growing their offices. Startup exits are at an all time high even as the war goes on (NVidia recently bought 2 more Israeli startups IIRC)

And good luck finding a Fortune 1000 company that isn’t using Monday or Akeyless or Zscaler or jfrog and I can keep going

Oh and remember Ilya sutskevers new AI company SSI? In their initial announcement they talked about opening with 2 offices, SFBA and Tel Aviv . You really can’t succeed without Israeli talent

You can like or dislike the government, but Israeli techs income and importance constantly grows YoY

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by mr_toad »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #778
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

it makes me think the Israeli decision-makers are trying to leave Hezbollah no choice but to escalate into a larger war. I think Hezbollah has been trying to avoid escalation into all out war, responding in limited proportionate ways despite Israel continuing to escalate. (Can you imagine if Hezbollah had detonated thousands of such devices in Israel? I'd be scared of a nuclear response). But Israeli leaders maybe de…

I wonder why they did it now of all times. This is a card you can only play once.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by BurningFrog »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #778
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

it makes me think the Israeli decision-makers are trying to leave Hezbollah no choice but to escalate into a larger war. I think Hezbollah has been trying to avoid escalation into all out war, responding in limited proportionate ways despite Israel continuing to escalate. (Can you imagine if Hezbollah had detonated thousands of such devices in Israel? I'd be scared of a nuclear response). But Israeli leaders maybe de…

Hezbollah started this war on October 8, and they can stop it by ceasing their attacks.

Israel have no reason to want a war. It's Hezbollah who want to conquer Israeli land. Israel wants nothing from Lebanon.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by totetsu »

einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

For me this whole things, including the previous use of AI backed social graph modelling build from digital surveillance of Palestinians, being use for as targeting intelligence, for drone strikes on people homes and families.. this whole thing chills me to the bone about ever wanting to use a social network, or a always connected mobile device ever again. Israel has taken the Dark Mirror SF speculations about the shifts in power and capability as the instruction manual and we're mostly ignoring the warnings. There nothing stopping this happening to any of us.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by fortran77 »

ok123456 wrote: post #738
saintradon wrote: post #699

This is why Chinese made electric cars are a bad idea in America. But Kudos to Israel for pulling off a surgical strike the likes of which we've never seen before.

Kudos to pulling off state-sponsored terrorism that killed many innocent civilians, including doctors and nurses who relied on the same pagers? This is like celebrating the 9/11 hijackers for the "creative hack" of using a box cutter.

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by acyou »

sbeam wrote: post #179

If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…

For manufactured cells, integrated safety devices would likely preclude such a fault.

People say they have seen cells explode, but don't realize those are probably highly engineered failure modes (the cells are/need to be specifically designed not to explode).

It's why people are burned by consumer product battery fires, and die from fire, but I think death from explosion of consumer products is rarer.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by softgrow »

I'm a long way from Lebanon, but carry two pagers for Emergency Services (one per service). One used to be an Apollo Gold but now it isn't. From what I've read these were modified pagers, but I still rang one manager for reassurance. We need a strong statement for all the emergency responders and medical staff that still use these things that it's not going to happen to you.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by phirgate »

einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

Corrections:

1. It's not supply chain attack, it's terrorist attack. 2. It's not a clever move, it's a prevocation move

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by senectus1 »

How did they know who was using the modified pagers?

How did they know they were only Hezbollah people?

Are there inocent people walking around with modifed explosive devices strapped to their waists? To their kids waists?

This seems potentially extremely reckless.

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