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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by hedora »

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

I’m typing this on the last mini.

I have huge hands. This phone is too big for them.

My second biggest complaint is that the 5g modem eats an insane amount of battery when it has weak single (20% in 10 minutes. I set an automation to force airplane mode.)

My third complaint is that the se3 is missing the UWB radio (and I actually use it!), so when this phone dies, I’ll need to get a refurbished phone.

My typical budget for a phone refresh is $1000, but apparently my money isn’t good enough these days.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by fragmede »

hedora wrote: post #791
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

I’m typing this on the last mini. I have huge hands. This phone is too big for them. My second biggest complaint is that the 5g modem eats an insane amount of battery when it has weak single (20% in 10 minutes. I set an automation to force airplane mode.) My third complaint is that the se3 is missing the UWB radio (and I actually use it!), so when this phone dies, I’ll need to get a refurbished phone. My typical budg…

you might have better luck with battery life if you switch voice and data to "5G auto" instead of "5G on" in cellular options which chooses to only use 5g only when needed for performance to optimize battery life.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Zak wrote: post #568
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

I'm a technically sophisticated user, and I don't want a new phone. I would almost certainly like it less than my current four year old phone. It would have a faster CPU, more RAM, and more storage, but it's rare I run into any of those limits. It would have a better camera than my current phone, but it would still be worse than my Olympus. It would have a bigger screen, but I wouldn't have a bigger hand and that wou…

> It would have a better camera than my current phone, but it would still be worse than my Olympus.

This is actually one of the reasons why I changed my phone last year. I don't know about your Olympus, but mine doesn't fit in my jeans pocket, even though it's one of the smaller models.

I don't always what to carry a dedicated camera with me, even though I bought a m4/3 specifically because of how portable it was. But I do like to be able to take good enough pictures, and the iPhone enables me to do that.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by Loranubi »

mgh2 wrote: post #709
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> Most people don't buy the pro and they're desperate for selling points in the regular model. "Pro Max currently accounts for nearly 40% of new model shipments" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41386700 You misunderstand the business case: she is not the target demographic/user, filmmakers are (as seen on the presentation). Apple's product marketing is 2nd to none. To break it down: iPhone 16 is for photographer…

That doesn't make sense. 99.9% of iPhone users are not photographers or filmmakers.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by randomdata »

tshaddox wrote: post #754
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

If the only reason people buy new iPhones is that the batteries in their old iPhones go bad, why does Apple bother constantly iterating and improving them?

Competition. Once the battery has gone bad and the user has decided that they are going to get a new phone to replace it, they are going to evaluate Apple's offering against all other phones they can buy. If Apple's device doesn't look as compelling as Samsung's (or whatever), the person is apt to buy something else.

But if the battery was working as well as it did when it was new, it is unlikely that the person would have started shopping in the first place. It is the catalyst that sees them move beyond "what I've got is good enough" to "this isn't serving my needs anymore".

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Post by jiehong »

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

When you sell phones to most of the population, it’s not only about the need of average users, but about the needs of everyone.

You live close to another country and switch languages all the time? (Very normal in many places in the world) well, then you’re happy translating photos or copying text on them work without cell coverage.

You have some disabilities and can’t see much anymore? Local AI can describe what your phone sees, ans help you navigate places more easily.

You like photography, but your neck hurts because you carry that DSLR everywhere? Better cameras on your phone mean more people stop carrying those.

When you sell to everyone, a niche feature for some is a crucial feature for others. It’s no longer about averages.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by hkpack »

delaaxe wrote: post #601
mithr wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know that I completely agree. To some degree, sure — most folks probably don't notice the year-to-year updates in e.g. computing power. But my 70yo mother, who is pretty far from being technologically savvy, uses continuity every day to copy one-time-use codes from her phone to her computer, even though she'd have no idea what the term "continuity" means in this context. She notices that it's easier to snap b…

Speaking of continuity, how do you get a Youtube video currently playing on the laptop to pause and continue on the iPhone?

There are probably multiple ways, but i find the most reliable probably through share -> airdrop to phone.

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Post by werid »

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn't notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn't know they even exist.

there's no manual to read. apple does not inform you in any way. finding out new features is by word of mouth.

so annoying.

i should not have to discover features on my very expensive phone by random chance via watching a tiktok video!

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Post by Shawnj2 »

benoau wrote: post #629
steelframe wrote: post #603

I used to care about my photos a lot. After accumulating a few decades worth of photos I've gotten to the point where I don't care about my photos at all. I used to obsess over megapixel count, portrait mode, FPS, lighting, and so forth, because I used to think that these amazing images would be priceless in the future. Well, the future came and went, and to me they actually ended up being worthless. At one time I ca…

Really interesting observation, but I would say there are still moments that can delight like we restored an old iPhone of my partner's and came across videos and live photos of our oldest when they were a toddler. Whether this is actually worth the many, many thousands we have spent on our smartphones to preserve rare moments that matter amongst many that really don't is another question. If smartphones never had ca…

Honestly I just have an RX100, physics means that it will always be able to take optically better photos than an iPhone even though the post processing is definitely “worse”. It fits in my pocket just as easily as a phone and I can take both normal photos and selfies pretty easily. It’s not the cheapest option but I appreciate having better image quality in a form factor I can easily shove in my pocket.

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Post by swiftcoder »

hug wrote: post #729
benoau wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really interesting observation, but I would say there are still moments that can delight like we restored an old iPhone of my partner's and came across videos and live photos of our oldest when they were a toddler. Whether this is actually worth the many, many thousands we have spent on our smartphones to preserve rare moments that matter amongst many that really don't is another question. If smartphones never had ca…

This comment seems completely at odds with history and how people actually acted prior to the smartphone revolution. Film camera sales proceeded on a steady incline from their invention until the introduction of the digital camera. Digital camera sales increased year on year for every year of their existence prior to the introduction of the smartphone. Approximately everybody wants to have photos of their precious me…

> The primary difference between digital cameras and smartphones was that every family I knew had a digital camera, where every person I know has a smartphone

The real difference is the rise of social media. Digital camera photos were taken for you, for your family and close friends.

In the post-facebook world we live in now, smartphone photos are taken for other people - a curated snapshot of your life to show off to acquaintences and strangers. Something of the intimacy of photography has been lost.

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