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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by obscurette »

slidehero wrote: post #501
obscurette wrote: post #483

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As a teacher - I have no shortage of exercises, quizes etc. Internet is full of this kind of stuff and I have no trouble finding more than I ever need. 95% of my time an mental capacity in this situation goes for deciding what makes sense in my particular pedagogical context? What wording works best for my particular students? Explanations are even harder. I find out almost daily that explanations which worked fine i…

>As a teacher - I have no shortage of exercises, quizes etc. Internet is full of this kind of stuff and I have no trouble finding more than I ever need Which all takes valuable time us teachers are extremely short on. I've been a classroom teacher for more than 20 years, I know how painful it is to piece together a hodge podge of resourecs to put together lessons. Yes the information is out there, but a one click opt…

> Which is exactly what GPT is amazing at.Brainstorming, rewriting, suggesting new angles of approach is GPTs main stength!

No, it isn't. It just increases noise. I don't need any more info, I need just to make decisions "how?".

> Prompting GPT to give useful answers is part of the art of using these new tools. Ask GPT to speak in a different voice, take on a persona or target a differnt age group and you'll be amazed at what it can output.

I'm not amazed. At best it sounds like some 60+ year old (like me) trying to be in the "age group" 14 while after only hearing from someone how young people talk. Especially in small cultures like ours here (~1M people).

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by tekknik »

ardaoweo wrote: post #674
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

They are revolutionary for use cases where hallucinated / wrong / unreliable output is easy and cheap to detect & fix, and where there's enough training data. That's why it fits programming so well - if you get bad code, you just throw it away, or modify it until it works. That's why it work for generic stock images too - if you get bad image, you modify the prompt, generate another one and see if it's better. But ma…

> But many jobs are not like that. Imagine an AI nurse giving bad health advice on phone. Somebody might die.

This problem is not unique to AI and you see this problem with human medical professionals. Regularly people are misdiagnosed or aren’t diagnosed at all. At least with AI you could compare the results of different models pretty instantly and get confirmation. An AI Dr also wouldn’t miss information on a chart like a human can.

> So, nearly all use cases I can think of now will still require a human in the loop, simply because of the unreliability. That way it can be a productivity booster, but not a replacement.

This is exactly what your parent said, but yet you replied seemingly disagreeing. AI tools are here to stay and they do increase productivity. Be it coding, writing papers, strategizing. Those that continue to think of AI as not useful will be left behind.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by runamuck »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #553
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #469

If anything, i'm getting more hyped up over time. Here are the things i've used LLMs for, with success in all areas as a solo technical founder. Business Advice including marketing, reaching out to investors, understanding SAFE notes (follow up questions after watching the Y Combinator videos), customer interview design. All of which, as an engineer, I had never done before. Create SQL queries for all kinds of busine…

fwiw, here's my results. Every question I've asked of chatGPT, meta and Gemini have returned results that were either obvious or wrong. Pointing out how wrong the answers returned got the obvious, "I apologize" response which returned an obvious answer. I consider all these AI engines to be interactive search engines where the results need to be double checked. The only thing these engines do, for me perhaps, is save…

I still get a lot of LLM "memes", for example "In today's digital landscape" or "is crucial." Also, Liang Et al noted a 10x increase in certain words like "meticulous" or "intricate" since the introduction of LLMs.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by ericmcer »

arcticbull wrote: post #486
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #469

If anything, i'm getting more hyped up over time. Here are the things i've used LLMs for, with success in all areas as a solo technical founder. Business Advice including marketing, reaching out to investors, understanding SAFE notes (follow up questions after watching the Y Combinator videos), customer interview design. All of which, as an engineer, I had never done before. Create SQL queries for all kinds of busine…

> Helping with challenging code problems that would otherwise need hours of searching google or reading the docs. I'm glad this has been working for you -- generally any time I actually have a really difficult problem, ChatGPT just makes up the API I wish existed. Then when I bring it up to ChatGPT, it just apologizes and invents new API.

That makes sense, LLM training data probably has tons of common problems in it, but maybe only a few or no instances of really niche, difficult ones. So it just comes up with a bunch of garbage.

My experience has been similar, it is amazing for stuff I am a beginner at but kinda useless for my actual work. It was invaluable today when I was trying to grasp CA zoning laws, but its almost useless for coding.

This also points to why it will never (imo) be "intelligent". It will never be able to take all its knowledge and use that to solve a problem it doesn't have training data for.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by MaybiusStrip »

mplewis wrote: post #478
MaybiusStrip wrote: post #309

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I don't think so, I think it's more about openness. I've noticed older software engineers tend to be more anti-LLM and quick to dismiss. The shortcomings are aplenty, but they don't bother me. The things it can do weren't possible 2 years ago. I'll leverage those and take the bad with the good. Similar experience with Tesla FSD. I know other Tesla owners who tried it a few times and think it's trash because they had…

Your self-driving car is so unreliable you have to manually disable it 10% of the time to stay safe?

What percent of the time do you have to drive your car?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by fuzztester »

smokel wrote: post #521
fuzztester wrote: post #470

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>You were being passive aggressive and adding nothing to the discussion. What arrant nonsense! Don't accuse people falsely or without substantiating your accusation. My comment being referred to above, consisted of four simple short lines. I am not going to bother to paste them here again for a third time. Those HN readers who wish to do so, can go the few needed levels up this thread and check for themselves: Nothin…

Placing statements on separate lines does come off as somewhat aggressive. It may be subtle, but I got a similar impression.

Your comment is so hilarious that I need some time to analyse its implications and think of a suitable reply.

Mañana.

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Post by cactacea »

fragmede wrote: post #781
rcarmo wrote: post #762

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I work with LLMs on my day job. Check my profile and links.

Oh you're that rcarmo? So cool! so help me understand, because that's what we're all here for, curiosity, with a bit more specificity, why SPI to an a LCD controller for this as-of-yet unspecified microcontroller is harder for an LLM than it seems? I buy that it is, but you've yet to give any sort of evidence and appeal to authority is a logic fallacy.

These are an example of some of the docs your LLM would need to work from. GLWT

https://wiki.st.com/stm32mcu/index.php?title=Getting_started...

http://www.lcdwiki.com/res/MSP2402/ILI9341_Datasheet.pdf

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by slidehero »

obscurette wrote: post #791
slidehero wrote: post #501

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>As a teacher - I have no shortage of exercises, quizes etc. Internet is full of this kind of stuff and I have no trouble finding more than I ever need Which all takes valuable time us teachers are extremely short on. I've been a classroom teacher for more than 20 years, I know how painful it is to piece together a hodge podge of resourecs to put together lessons. Yes the information is out there, but a one click opt…

> Which is exactly what GPT is amazing at.Brainstorming, rewriting, suggesting new angles of approach is GPTs main stength! No, it isn't. It just increases noise. I don't need any more info, I need just to make decisions "how?". > Prompting GPT to give useful answers is part of the art of using these new tools. Ask GPT to speak in a different voice, take on a persona or target a differnt age group and you'll be amaze…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess it's just not for you then :)

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by carbine »

JohnFen wrote: post #703
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

> I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. How much is "enough"? Neither myself nor my coworkers have found LLMs to be all that useful in our work. Almost everybody has stopped bothering with them these days.

what line of work are you in?
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