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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rustcleaner » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 1:43 AM UTC

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

>Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise?

No, you make tools which are easily copied and spread which disempower states and groups and instead empower individuals to act unimpeded. You make tools which make it impossible to enforce copyright or any other state imperative because everybody has the tools needed to neutralize the group attempting to use force.

The correct answer is to formulate software and memes (human software) which act as viruses which infect the local carriers of the overall social operating system (in America it is some flavor of American Westernism), turning the original operating system non-functional (Bezmenov's demoralization), and steamroll the reigning technocratic elite off top the tiger and install yourselves, or your StateDAO, or whatever.

When the system is going to take at least a decade, that should be treated as a pending life sentence or execution, and I admire anyone who fights it to the death even. Just don't go in, get housed in concrete, work for $0.68/hour they deduct 75% for housing from and then sell you bricks of Ramen for $1, while dodging shivs from behind. At that point it is too late to act to defend yourself!

You need a year of this treatment if you disagree with me!

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by ruthmarx » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 1:46 AM UTC

kmeisthax wrote: post #417

tedk-42 wrote: post #21

As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. With some 'diplomacy', Julian Assange was brought home after near 15 years fighting for BS extradition charges. The news and politicians in Australia follow almost lock step with whatever our US overlords allow us to say. It's been more of a thing lately with them trying to secure the pacific away from China's sphere of influence and the biggest 'dumb…

>As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. Fox News is an Australian product built to flood the US with far-right, pro-business outrage. We'll get out of your lane once you get out of ours. All kidding aside, describing these sorts of things in terms of national influence is extremely unproductive. New Zealand wouldn't be turning itself into a pro-commercial-pirate haven or anticopyright have…

> Fox News is an Australian product

lol, no it isn't. Don't try and pass the buck.

Murdoch is a US citizen and has been since the 80s. Fox news is purely and always has been an AMERICAN product, regardless of the birth citizenship of the CEO of News corp.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by ruthmarx » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 1:48 AM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #32

tedk-42 wrote: post #21

As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. With some 'diplomacy', Julian Assange was brought home after near 15 years fighting for BS extradition charges. The news and politicians in Australia follow almost lock step with whatever our US overlords allow us to say. It's been more of a thing lately with them trying to secure the pacific away from China's sphere of influence and the biggest 'dumb…

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

I would think it isn't needed. Australia is a leading country for R&D and they have the money to fund their own designs.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by halyconWays » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:07 AM UTC

Taniwha wrote: post #739

halyconWays wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>ran out of options He'd have one more option to fight tyranny, if your government didn't disarm the populace. Imagine being yanked out of your home country by a foreign power and their corporate overlords with the prospect of living the rest of your life in third-world prison conditions, for the crime of allegedly reducing their balance sheets from $550B per year to $545B per year.

Our populace is pretty heavily armed, hunting is pretty ingrained in the national psyche. No one's arguing for getting rid of hunting rifles. Pistols and semiautomatics, things designed to kill people are illegal and most of us are quite happy with that, especially after we had a foreign terrorist kill 100 innocent people in a mosque.

That's nothing, we once had the entire British government attempt to kill us.

> things designed to kill people are illegal

Your government doesn't have guns?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rustcleaner » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:08 AM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #732

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? The problem is that government doesn’t have a line, that line is defined by the resistance it faces. Today it might be people sharing MP3s, tomorrow they will come after you for hosting a parody of mickey mouse. 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the ca…

>that line is defined by the resistance it faces

THIS is why the Second Amendment. It's easy to revenge-kill a crazy, it's harder to revenge-kill a government. Keep your governments small and your crazies armed!

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by vkou » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #777

microtherion wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kim Dotcom is simply a career criminal, settling on piracy after having previously been convicted of trafficking in stolen phone calling cards and embezzlement. He simply figured out a crime that is socially more accepted than what he engaged in previously, but it was always about the money for him.

Know any decent computer nerds in the 80s/90s that weren’t at least dabbling in that stuff? Hell there was a whole monthly meeting and magazine dedicated to that sort of behavior. Criminal? Yes. Part of hacker culture? Also yes. Too bad Mr Goldstein lost all credibility (that he may or may not have had) when he started shaming folks for not taking the clot shot.

>Know any decent computer nerds in the 80s/90s that weren’t at least dabbling in that stuff?

I mean, if your definition of decent requires you to be a fraud and a conman, then no.

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My father, while he certainly pirated a lot of software back in the 90s, wasn't stealing any phone cards, or doing any embezzlement. Presumably, that makes him not decent with computers.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rustcleaner » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #732

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? The problem is that government doesn’t have a line, that line is defined by the resistance it faces. Today it might be people sharing MP3s, tomorrow they will come after you for hosting a parody of mickey mouse. 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the ca…

To add: you know with the stable-diffusion function, there are ranges of vectors whereby technically just conjuring them is 15 years federal and possessing them is 5 each. That is 20-25% of a lifetime in one, 7.5% in the other!

You know how nuts that sounds to me as a mathematician?!

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by sam345 » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:12 AM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #732

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? The problem is that government doesn’t have a line, that line is defined by the resistance it faces. Today it might be people sharing MP3s, tomorrow they will come after you for hosting a parody of mickey mouse. 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the ca…

Mp3s were yesterday literally long time ago. Parody is always legal. And Mickey mouse by the way is way past copyright. Don't you know at least the original.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rustcleaner » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:14 AM UTC

throwup238 wrote: post #493

gliiics wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not always black and white; let's be honest, yes, Kim Dotcom was probably more about piracy than freedom of whatever simply because that's where his money was. But: > Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? Do you think this should apply to, say, Snowden, Assange, and whistleblowers in general?

> Do you think this should apply to, say, Snowden, Assange, and whistleblowers in general? Comparing Kim Dotcom to Snowden or even Assange feels gross. He was a commercial opportunist, not a real activist or whistleblower.

>Comparing Kim Dotcom to Snowden or even Assange feels gross.

Victims are victims. We just overlook victims of the state because of a biological religious adherence to revenge. Righteous violence and all that jazz.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rustcleaner » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 2:20 AM UTC

duped wrote: post #576

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #218

The US seems to have this knack of sliding itself into this narrow gap between individuals they're idealistically pursuing and something worse. "If I could just slip in there, ooh, that's tight, yes, thank you, aah comfy, this feels like where I belong". In their desperate attempt to not lose a fight that's been going on for, what, 10 years? 15 years? They're increasingly looking like a child that cannot move on from…

You're looking at this through too narrow a lens, I think. The Government has a duty to protect domestic industry from foreign threats, and throughout history, that isn't reserved to state actors. Megaupload was a severe threat(*) to major American industries, and Kim Dotcom flagrantly ignored pressure from America to stop what it was doing. When that happens the Government gets to pick which of its heavy hammers to…

>Megaupload was a severe threat

All problems smooth away the moment some based brogrammer chad puts in a pull request on a clone of Hyphanet's Opennet (call it Onionnet), and just swap out all the IP address variables for .onion address variables and clean things up.

Literally. I might do it myself even and I hardly know how to terminate a C string! Nationstates are going to love me dicking with the code...