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Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by varelse »

TuringNYC wrote: post #587
zitterbewegung wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either you port Tensorflow (Apple)[1] or PyTorch to your platform or you allow CUDA to run on your hardware (AMD) [2]. Companies are incentives to not have NVIDIA having a monopoly but the thing is that CUDA is a huge moat due to compatibility of all frameworks and everyone knows it. Also, all of the cloud or on premises providers use NVIDIA regardless. [1] https://developer.apple.com/metal/tensorflow-plugin/ [2] htt…

>> Either you port Tensorflow (Apple)[1] or PyTorch to your platform or you allow CUDA to run on your hardware (AMD) [2]. Companies are incentives to not have NVIDIA having a monopoly but the thing is that CUDA is a huge moat due to compatibility of all frameworks and everyone knows it. Also, all of the cloud or on premises providers use NVIDIA regardless. This never made sense to me -- Apple could easily hire top ta…

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Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by NiloCK »

Flimm wrote: post #164
mkolodny wrote: post #73

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Llama’s code is open source: https://github.com/meta-llama/llama3/blob/main/llama/model.p...

No, it's not. The Llama 3 Community License Agreement is not an open source license. Open source licenses need to meet the criteria of the only widely accepted definition of "open source", and that's the one formulated by the OSI [0]. This license has multiple restrictions on use and distribution which make it not open source. I know Facebook keeps calling this stuff open source, maybe in order to get all the good wi…

These discussions (ie, everything that follows here) would be much easier if the crowd insisting on the OSI definition of open source would capitalize Open Source.

In English, proper nouns are capitalized.

"Open" and "source" are both very normal English words. English speakers have "the right" to use them according to their own perspective and with personal context. It's the difference between referring to a blue tooth, and Bluetooth, or to an apple store or an Apple store.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by giancarlostoro »

have_faith wrote: post #729
sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

The feed certainly is, but I suspect most activity left on Facebook is happening in group pages. Groups are the only thing I still log in for as some of them, particularly the local ones, have no other way of taking part. They are also commonly membership by request and actively moderated. If I had the time (and energy) I might put some effort into advocating to moving to something else, but it will be an uphill batt…

It is probably a mix of people who got nowhere else to interact with people, and people using Groups. Facebook was where you'd go to talk to all your friends and family, most of my friends have been getting shadowbanned since 2012 ~ so it made me use it less. I got auto striked on my account for making a meme joke about burning a house down due to a giant spider in a video. I appealed, and it got denied. I'm not using a platform that will inadvertently ban me by AI. But the people actually posting to kill others, and actually burn shit down, and bots stay just fine?

Plus I didn't want to risk my employers Facebook App being in limbo if I got banned, so I left Facebook alone, never to return.

Facebook trying to police the world is the only thing keeping me away, if I can use the platform and post meme comments again, maybe I might reconsider, but I doubt it. Reddit is in a similar boat. You can get banned, but all the creepy pedophile comments from decades and recently are still up no problem.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by dns_snek »

llm_trw wrote: post #694
Phelinofist wrote: post #689

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Do they not run on a computer?

So does a video. Is a video open source if you're given the permissions to edit it? To distribute it? Given the files to generate it? What if the files can only be open in a proprietary program? Videos aren't software and neither are llms.

> Is a video open source if you're given the permissions to edit it? To distribute it? Given the files to generate it?

If you're given the source material and project files to continue editing where the original editors finished, and you're granted the rights to re-distribute - Yes, that would be open source[1].

Much like we have "open source hardware" where the "source" consists of original schematics, PCB layouts, BOM, etc. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_film

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by lukas099 »

LauraMedia wrote: post #742
LoveMortuus wrote: post #741

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In regards to the dead internet hypothesis, the content that you're enjoying today, will still be there tomorrow. What I mean is if you, for example, like Mr.Beast, AI is not going to replace him and the content that he produces. Now, he might use AI to boost the productivity of his company, but the end result is still "making the best video ever" as he's often said.

The big problem with this is that content is harder and harder to find. Try to find a non-AI generated reply to a viral post on Twitter, you're looking at having to scroll down 5-6 1080p screens to finally get to some actual stuff people wrote. The content you're enjoying today still exists, but it's a needle in a haystack of AI spam

The signal:noise ratio is decreasing because it’s easier to generate noise. I think paying for content (or content curation) is probably the way to curate high-signal information feeds.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by WithinReason »

m3kw9 wrote: post #641
baby wrote: post #380

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Meta does a good thing HN spends a day figuring out how it’s actually bad

So you think FB did this with zero benefit to themselves? They did open source so people could improve their models and eventually have a paid tier later either from hosting services or other strategies

The linked article already spelled out the benefits

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by eightysixfour »

sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

I am one of those people unironically excited - the social parts of the internet have been dead and filled with bots for a long time. Now people just see it more.

Maybe they’ll go outside.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

lostmsu wrote: post #562
BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #534

What is the best of the llama 3.1 models that I can fine-tune with a macbook m3 max w/ 96GB of ram?

None unless you are prepared to spend 5+ years. Macs just don't have flops.

Really? You can't even fine-tune a quantized 8B model on such a machine? That's a bummer.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by thierrydamiba »

largbae wrote: post #789

The All-In podcast predicted this exact strategy for keeping OpenAI and other upstarts from disrupting the existing big tech firms. By giving away higher and higher quality models, they undermine the potential return on investment for startups who seek money to train their own. Thus investment in foundation model building stops and they control the ecosystem.

I predicted this 7 months ago-can I get a podcast?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38556771#38559118

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