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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by tga_d »

fsflover wrote: post #780
lionkor wrote: post #751

Not personally interested in an OS from Meta - the only thing I use from Meta is WhatsApp, and that's just because it is difficult to replace here in central Europe. I don't get excited about new OSs unless they're FOSS. It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives and lack of care (Windows) or just become a walled garden (MacOS). From what I've…

> It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives AFAIK, the whole point of the free software movement and the key idea in all Stallman's essays is that free software brings actual, practical benefits to users, long-term. It's not a religion.

No, Stallman has always insisted from its inception that free software is firstly a moral principle, a sort of human right like free speech in the traditional liberal worldview, and only secondarily a pragmatic one.[0][1] I suspect if you asked most people involved with the FSF, they'd say something similar. This is probably the largest difference between the free software movement and the open source movement.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/the-moral-and-the-legal.html [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by lionkor »

Longlius wrote: post #763
sharkjacobs wrote: post #759

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I know this is totally tangential to what you're saying and irrelevant to your point but I'm curious. I'm pretty up on MacOS and Linux, not so much on Windows. Is Windows less of a walled garden than MacOS?

It's functionally the same - code signing is mandated unless you want your users to get a scary pop-up.

It is definitely a different experience - the Windows warnings are very easy to not take seriously, since they pop up for anything and everything. On MacOS, you have to practically agree to your PC being unsafe to even enable running non-signed code, iirc.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by ryanbrunner »

numpad0 wrote: post #767
ryanbrunner wrote: post #447

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Google did this early on with android - originally the Google devices (Nexus) were lower end, and high end devices were left to other manufacturers. They've flipped around recently, but I think the Nexus line was a decent enough idea at the time.

Nexus was supposed to be reference platform with a harmless quirk or two, not necessarily low or high end. The idea was everyone builds for Nexus and apps run everywhere.

Maybe "lower end" isn't quite accurate, but the point I was getting across was that Google wasn't competing for the high end market.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by stubish »

waynesonfire wrote: post #771
modeless wrote: post #5

Official blog post: https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/introducing-our-open-mixed... Short video from Zuckerberg: https://twitter.com/NathieVR/status/1782436898654273981 This is an interesting move and feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But this isn't open source. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's…

> Short video from Zuckerberg The use-cases for AR are so awful. The last thing I want is to consume already a passive medium with my family wearing goggles. Such an anti-social platform.

AR will be able to overlay names and important information about your children in case you forget who they are.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by stubish »

Seb-C wrote: post #642
ricardobeat wrote: post #367

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> VR headsets don't do much but sit on shelfs (sic) Quest has 6+ million monthly active users. Steam 2-3 million. Sony doesn't publish numbers but a good guess is 3-4 million active players. If you allow for some overlap, that's roughly ten million monthly users, and in sales VR is already more successful than a lot of computer platforms of the past.

> Quest has 6+ million monthly active users. Steam 2-3 million. There is no way that those numbers are right. EDIT: Yeah, Steam has 120 million active users per month. And the 6+ million users for Quest is from 2022, during the pandemic and metaverse bubble. Would be curious to know the trends for 2023 and 2024 thought.

That would be SteamVR being discussed.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by jojobas »

Hot take of the day: googles don't need a separate OS. Abandon the sell-at-loss-to-recover-on-games model, open up the hardware and we'll talk.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by jojobas »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

What we have today is Absolutely Awesome. Even Windows.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by throwaway21321 »

talldayo wrote: post #284
samspenc wrote: post #152

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Like other comments have pointed out, I think of this as similar to how Google controls the Android OS. While theoretically open, the real useful stuff on top of Android (Google services etc) require a license from Google along with their Play store, so Google makes revenue from there. Certainly more open (edited) than the Apple ecosystem, but still controlled by one (big) player, with a little bit of flexibility but…

> A bit more open than the Apple ecosystem It is not "a bit more open" than iOS, it is a completely different approach to OS development that enables wildly different results. > While theoretically open, the real useful stuff on top of Android That stuff is by no means necessary; I've run Android without Google services for years and it just feels like a normal tablet OS. Again, it is not "theoretically open" but in…

as an apple fan i can assure you this is exactly what I think, I just prefer the results that Apple's approach enables and wish legislators would let consumers choose it as opposed to forcing the results to look more like Android

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by bee_rider »

RainaRelanah wrote: post #435
bee_rider wrote: post #314

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Yeah my CV1 doesn’t work anymore, I think Meta added some account requirement. I feel like Facebook stole some money from me, in the sense that it wasn’t obvious when I bought the thing that I’d need to buy into their ecosystem. But it is basically first gen hardware, so I guess it isn’t worth anything. I was pretty excited about VR (enough to drop a couple hundred on what was then a top of the line headset) but over…

A friend of mine has been working this year on getting the CV1/Rift S running without the Oculus app/Meta account, which also means continued support for these two discontinued headsets. I don't think she has publicly released it yet, but good progress is being made. https://github.com/BnuuySolutions/ReLinked https://twitter.com/BunniKaitlyn/status/1756580547768279466

Neat! It will be cool if this works out.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by urza »

FOSS everything or go home. I am not buying into closed VR ecosystem. Not Apple, not Meta, not anything else that is trying to lock me in.
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