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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Sometimes I wished HN had an "ignore user" button. Basically everytjing in your wall of text is either wrong or so turned on its head and misunderstood it could as well be wrong. The key word you don't seem to understand is this: proportinality.

> Sometimes I wished HN had an "ignore user" button FWIW, there is a "mute" button, but it still allows Hasbara drones to harass you, claim you're a terrorist supporter, antisemite etc - you know, the usual slander they resort to once facts are in the way. The level of denial and falsehoods coming from pro-Israeli accounts is awful, especially here, a place renowned for inspiring curiosity and research. Today is the…

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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what are you talking about? my reply was to “credible evidence of a large, undergroud Hamas facility” and I posted that, and not via israeli, but via hamas own channels. I have no idea why you replied what you did.

You posted a video of tunnels being used for civilian smuggling. That is not a military facility of any kind, let alone an 'evil Hamas terror facilty'. The denials are really getting ridiculous now.

i guess the result of that civilian smuggling is the access to food, medicine and other lifesaving goods for the civilians? oh, no, it seems like it is weapons and hostages.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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10% would be considered an extremely high death rate for soldiers involved in the fighting. Even 2.5% for healthcare workers is ridiculously high. Would be interesting to see what the death rates for journalists, medics, soldiers, etc was in afghan war, iraq war, vietnam war, etc. I highly doubt any reaches 10%.

> 10% would be considered an extremely high death rate for soldiers involved in the fighting. Even 2.5% for healthcare workers is ridiculously high. Hamas based their operations where conventional rules of war prohibit fire. That makes comparing casualty rates incredibly difficult. (To my knowledge, nobody else has done this so comprehensively. Though given its success, I expect it to be emulated. Which unfortunately…

> Which unfortunately means prohibitions on bombing hospitals, schools and places of worship are now obsolete.

Interesting. I wonder whether genocide of all people seriously harmed by IDF since Oct 7 should also be added to the list of war crimes obsoleted in this recent war. It only makes sense, since all these people are enemies of the state of Israel with a very high probability of causing harm to the civilians living there in the future. Geneva conventions are really showing their age in the past few months.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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You should check when the last election was. And even if the majority supports Hamas, it is NEVER a justification to target civilians.

72% isn't some[0]. Civilians aren't targeted just collateral damage. 0: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti... .

If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whistelblower accounts, the colleteral damage becomes the target.

And hell, you are really surprised after everything Israel did in Gaza so far, that support for Hamas rises? Really? I suggest to whatch the first season of Andor for an in-depth explanation of why a hard crackdown is usually only hardening resistence.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Being in the USA, I look at what I can do, and it's effectively nothing. There's the whole movement to 'not support any Democrat candidate's during the primaries, which is wavering the non-committed around 8-15%. Aside sending a vote message to Biden, I'm powerless to do more. Honestly, the US govt needs to quit selling/giving/loaning weaponry to Israel. Won't solve the problem, but at least we wouldn't be supporting…

While the US violently cleansed the land of various indigenous peoples, there was no Internet through which stern condemnation could arrive. The Israelis have to do the same but broadcasted to every single person's palm. It's quite unfortunate for them, really. Sometimes you gotta help your little bro out.

I have little care about something that happened 100-300 years ago. I wasnt alive. My opinion has literally 0 bearing over stuff that's happened.

What I care about now is that we quit supporting Israel's own holocaust. Just because they had something horrible happen in the 1940's, doesn't mean they get "One Free Holocaust Ticket".

Let them fend for themselves. Sanction them. Run battleships in the Mediterranean to break the Gaza blockade. Basically we should put them in the proverbial time-out corner until they can behave like civilized adults.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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There is already a test described in the rules: “do you expect to read it on a headline of a major news outlet” if yes, it may not be of HN interest.

That would exclude, e.g., every senate hearing of big tech. Or anti-trust case against big tech. Not sure this argument holds up to scrutiny.

To be fair I would think a story about a huge corporate exec talking to stuffy congress would be the exact opposite of hacker news. Hackers don’t care about policy or stiffs in suits. Post open source software and projects involving actual hacking instead.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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FWIW, it's also easy to claim HN is biased, because people are biased differently, and HN is close to global. As a northern european, I for instance would say that I often find HN trend conservative, compared to the discourses in my country. But someone from a different part of the world could claim HN to lean progressive, based on their political environment. So I don't think there is an easy way here. If one were t…

Well, there are things that cannot be bozt-sided: Everything that violates human right for example. Or direct threats to democracy.

I'd be interested in reading a thoughtful discussion on what happened to El Salvador in HN.

I haven't come across one yet.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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72% isn't some[0]. Civilians aren't targeted just collateral damage. 0: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti... .

If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whistelblower accounts, the colleteral damage becomes the target. And hell, you are really surprised after everything Israel did in Gaza so far, that support for Hamas rises? Really? I suggest to whatch the first season of Andor for an in-depth explanation of why…

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Hardly, a Palestinian has no governing authority allowing it to issue a passport or proof of citizenship. This again is controlled by Israel. So your argument does not hold water. I found the use of the term "Former Palestinian" offensive. It implies that you are no longer such. Regardless of your citizenship, your ancestry defines your ethnic group. Palestinians are an ethnic group. Those born by parents of said eth…

You aren't always defined by your ancestry. My parents had to emigrate to more human respecting lands, and they still feel they're more part of that land than the one they were born in.

You cannot escape your DNA... Other than American Indians, everyone else in the USA emigrated there. So you can assimilate another culture, but ethnically (DNA-wise) you will always carry your ancestry around, and so will your descendants.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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> FWIW, Hamas's charter states that it's issue is with the Zionist Project and not Jews. Oh yes! Still, that's an untenable position. Israel was created so that all Jews could have a state of their own because of the suffering inflicted upon them. There really is no going back on that. For me, a single democratic and secular state, with a legal framework that protects everybody's rights equally and fairly would be th…

The status quo is already effectively a single-state solution. Israel is the only party with an army, the only party that can elect politicians, the only party with airports and a harbor, and a functioning economy. Israel also has almost total control over Golan, West Bank and Gaza. Why would Israel award citizenship and the right to vote to the oppressed minority? If the majority between the river and the sea wanted…

Gaza had an airport until 2005 or so, but it was bombed.

Gaza also has a political system - Hamas was elected, same as Likud. I'd say it's probably not working right now, for obvious reasons.

> The status quo is what the people of Israel want (revealed preference by their votes). And Palestinians don't get a vote.

Politics is rarely that clear-cut. The electorate was shaped by their environment and rarely sees what has been painted as impossible.

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