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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Have to give it to Satya. There's a thin possibility that Microsoft would have to write-off its whole $10B (or more?) investment in OpenAI, but that isn't Satya's focus. The focus is on what he can do next. Maybe, recruit the most formidable AI team in the world, removed from the shackles of an awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company? Give enough (cash) incentives and most of OpenAI employees would have no qua…

>>There's a thin possibility that Microsoft would have to write-off its whole $10B (or more?) investment in OpenAI, but that isn't Satya's focus. The focus is on what he can do next. Maybe, recruit the most formidable AI team in the world, removed from the shackles...

That's a slightly flamboyant reading.. but I agree with the gist.

A slim chance of total right off doctor off.. that was always the case. This decision does not affect it much. The place in the risk model, where most of the action happens... Is less dramatic effects on more likely bans of the probability curve.

Msft cannot be kicked off the team. They still have all of the rights to their openai investment no matter who the CEO is.

Meanwhile, is clearly competing, participating, and doing business with openai. The hierarchy of paradigms, is flexible... Competing appears to have won.

I agree that direct financial returns, are the lesser part of the investment case for msft.. and the other participants. That's pretty much standard in consortium-like ventures.

At the base level, openai's IP is still largely science, unpatentable know how and key people. Msft have some access to (I assume) of openAI' defendable IP via their participation in the consortium, or 49% ownership of the for-profit entity. Meanwhile, openai is not so far ahead that pacing them from a dead start is impossible.

I also agree, that this represents a decision to launch ahead aggressively in the generative AI space.

In the latter 2000s, Google have the competence, technology, resources and momentum to smash anyone else on anything worldwideWeb.

They won all the "races." Google have never been good at turning wins into businesses, but they did acquire the wins handily. Microsoft wants to be that for the 2020s.

Able to replicate everything, for the new paradigm OpenAI's achievments probably represents.

The AI spreadsheet. The LLM email client. GPT search. Autobot jira. Literally and proverbially.

At least in theory... Microsoft is or will be in a position to start executing on all of these.

Sama, if he's actually motivated to do this.. it's pretty much the ideal person on planet earth for that task.

I'm sure takes a lot to motivate him. Otoh, CEO of Microsoft is it realistic prize if he wins this game. The man is basically Microsoft the person. I mean that as a compliment.. sort of.

One way or another, I expect that implementing OpenAI-ish models in applications is about commence.

Companies have been pleading chatbot customer support for years. They may get it soon, but so will the customers. That makes for a whole new thing in the place where customer support used to exist. At least, that is the bull case.

That said, I have said a lot. All speculative. I'll probabilistic, even where my speculations are correct. These are not really predictions. I'm chewing the cud.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft can now proceed without the guidance of a council that actually has humanities interests in mind, This isn't saying yes or no to a supervillain working in a secret volcano lair. This is an arms race. If it's possible for a technology to exist it will exist. The only choice we have is who gets it first. Maybe that means we get destroyed by it first before it destroys everyone else, or maybe it's the reason w…

The assumption that it is an arms race is a shockingly anthropocentric view of something that's supposed to be 'intelligence' but is just a distillation of collected HUMAN opinion. Not only that, it's a blindered take on what human opinion is. Humans are killer apes AND cooperative, practically eusocial apes. Failing to understand both horns of that dilemma is a serious mistake.

All technology is an arms race. People are hung up on OpenAI, OpenAI is just one of hundreds of AI companies. Military AI in drones is already to point where AI can fly an F-16 and beat humans.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Sam Altman and Greg Brockman have very similar backgrounds. They are both highly intelligent, both dropped out of college and lack any advanced education. They are classic Silicon Valley entrepreneurs: well-networked, great at fund raising, maybe even good managers. Potential contribution to advanced AI research: zero. What, exactly, does Microsoft want to do with them? Best guess: Use their connections and reputatio…

Go read the gpt3 and gpt3 tech report and see for yourself.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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In my humble opinion, everyone moved way too fast in this whole thing. I can't help but imagine that emotions were involved due to the speed. Instead of a 5PM Sunday deadline, maybe it should have been "let's talk next week." Maybe it would have worked out the same in any case, but it seems like it would have been wiser.

Microsoft must have pushed for the situation to be resolved before the market opens on Monday. They couldn't afford to drag it out.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company". Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

If you believe what people say, instead of what people do, then you are going to be disappointed by many, many people in your life.

It's a cliche, but it's true: actions speak louder than words.

You are the things you do, not the things you say you want to be.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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All of the naysayers here seem convinced this is Altman and Microsoft looking to destroy OpenAI. Normally I am the cynic but this time I’m seeing a potential win-win here. Altman uses his talent to recruit and drive forward a brilliant product focused AI. OpenAI gets to refocus on deep research and safety. Put aside cynicism and consider Nadella is looking to create the best of all worlds for all parties. This might…

Seems like it will create a Deepmind/Google Brain style split within MS.

MSR leadership is probably a little shaken at the moment.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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You might notice that Microsoft shareholders are also part of humanity and destroying humanity would be highly detrimental to Microsoft's profits, so maybe their interests are not as misaligned as you think. I am always bemused by how people assume any corporate interest is automatically a cartoon supervillain who wants to destroy the entire world just because.

Ha! Tell that to the species of primates that will happily squeeze even the last ounce of resources from the only habitable planet they have, to enrich said shareholders. Humans are really bad in assessing situations larger than their immediate family, and this is no exception.

The really interesting question is whether AI, provided with superhuman inference, is better at this than humans. All the most powerful humans remain relentlessly human, and sometimes show it to tragic and/or laughable effect.

To some extent human societies viewed as eusocial organisms are better at this than individual humans. And rightly so, because human follies can have catastrophic effects on the society/organism.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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The idea that OpenAI people whose focus is building an AGI that can replace humans in every viable human activity will create a more ethical outcome than Microsoft whose focus is using AI to empower workers to do more sounds extremely unlikely. People have gotten into their heads that researchers are good and corporations are bad in every case which is simply not true. OpenAI's mission is worse for humanity than Micr…

Corporations literally are maximizing profit. Researchers at least can have other motives. If Microsoft came up with a way of making trillion dollars in profit by enslaving half the planet, it kinda has to do it.

This is a pretty simplistic and uneducated view on how big companies actually function.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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post #253

I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company". Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

> Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer. What does the word "moot" mean in this context?

Pointless

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

#800

Have to give it to Satya. There's a thin possibility that Microsoft would have to write-off its whole $10B (or more?) investment in OpenAI, but that isn't Satya's focus. The focus is on what he can do next. Maybe, recruit the most formidable AI team in the world, removed from the shackles of an awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company? Give enough (cash) incentives and most of OpenAI employees would have no qua…

If I had to make a list of companies that need shackles of that sort, Microsoft would definitely be top three or so.
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