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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by salawat »

000ooo000 wrote: post #132

What would someone excited about the improved specs on the 5 be using a Pi for? I have 1-2 of each gen, but to me, they aren't devices I would use if I needed grunt. They're just solid little low power, low heat devices for running odds and ends. Curious what people who are pushing them hard are using them for.

...I'd like to point put that the Pi 4 without any overclocking basically replaced the first non 486 my gamily owned as a family computer.

The Pi 5 will end up replacing my first gaming spec'd E-Machine.

Considering the wide variety of use cases I got out of both of those computers growing up, it takes very little imagination imo to figure out what to do with them.

Even on e I get around to actually getting an x64 server spec'd machine for actually doing grunt work, I figure these little Pi's will be perfect for little oneoffs like mirroring repos I care about. Constrained dev boxes, network jiggery pokery boxes. Hell, might even get around to trying a non traditional form factor builds one of these days

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nathan_f77 »

Great! I'm looking forward to getting a few of these. I currently have five Raspberry Pis running in my house, mainly for dashboards:

* Zigbee2MQTT in a closet in the middle of the house

* FullPageOS [1] dashboards on the bedroom TV, living room TV, and a screen in my office

* RetroPie running emulators and video screensaver on an old CRT TV in my workshop

It would be nice to make all of these a little bit faster.

[1] https://github.com/guysoft/FullPageOS

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by StillBored »

mattigames wrote: post #701
dingi wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about a mini pc with Alder lake N95 with 8g RAM/256g nvme for $120 https://a.aliexpress.com/_mt4AHVM

So double the price for slighly better CPU (3.9GHz turbo speed vs 2.4GHz -or 2.9GHz with OC-, both with 2MB L2 cache), for energy it needs 36W (vs 10W), 2 usb ports (vs 4), no microSD support, and it weights 4 times as much (without including HDD); it does have 256 GB of storage included but for $20 you can get a microSD of the same capacity for the Rpi5 (or 128GB for $10 when that's enough). Yeah, it doesn't look as…

I just clicked it, and it shows $107 for the 8G/128G version.

But either way, I think your seriously conflating a lot of variables. Things like power draw are not really comparable unless you pick a workload and measure the perf/power, as just clamping the max frequency down, or putting less ram in it can constrain actual power draw, while still possibly being as performant as the rpi.

I don't see pricing for the case + fan + power supply on the rpi, but the 8G model is $80 for the board. So you have to find at a minimum a battery for the RTC, a case, fan, powersupply, and 128G SD for $30. But then SD isn't in the same ballpark as even the cheapest SSD with respect to longevity or at $10 likely perf either. Plus, your shit out of luck if you need 16G of ram on the rpi vs paying an extra $18 on the beelink.

In the end, the rpi is going to be a fun hack device, while the beelink is going to just work with a wide variety of software (windows anyone?) and Jeff G won't have to complain about his m.2->pcie->graphics card not working out of the box either. OTOH, if you actually need to design a HAT/whatever for some special purpose it might be easier than designing a m.2 PCIe device, or it might not be. The GPIO on the rpi might be very handy if it happens to work better than a ESP/whatever attached to the beelinks USB port driving GPIO pins.

Much of this is going to come down to how much one values their time for one off devices, and for larger production runs the fact that the beelink is just one of hundreds (likely thousands) of similar devices that can be drop in replaced when beelink has a supply issue. Particularly because there are devices that are just a $100 more with multiple 2.5G links, sata ports, whatever.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by StillBored »

impalallama wrote: post #790
Narishma wrote: post #721

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That's par for the course. Raspberry Pi always receives a lot of backlash here for some reason, regardless of the news.

Very interesting have a wildly popular in demand product turns people against you.

I don't think that is it at all.

Of the dozen or so friends of mine with them, only one really uses the rpi for anything "serious" after having played with it, hit some roadblock and tossed it in the drawer. Many of them have soured on it due to something not working right, spending a lot of time debugging it and being stymied by the fact that the docs need to fix some of the problems weren't open, or simply by the fact that it seems every single one is sold as "desktop class" and it turns out they are worse than 10 year old desktops for even basic things like say... playing youtube videos.

So there is a lot of negativity built up around them by people who got frustrated by the previous versions.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by afavour »

naikrovek wrote: post #782
Dah00n wrote: post #602

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Amazon is not a good place to get prices from for a comparison. All the enshittification has ruined the prices. As it forces prices up outside Amazon too even outside prices are not useful. To do a proper comparison that doesn't include changes forced by Amazon IMO you need to look at non-US non-Amazon non-Amazon-sellers prices and work with those. Quite annoying really.

I've seen the word "enshittification" three times in three days now, and it is already rubbing my last nerve raw. we make fun of business jargon and buzzword fads, and we do it just as much as anyone else, and it sickens me.

Why does it sicken you?

We make fun of business jargon because it’s an attempt to imbue authority where it isn’t due. “Enshittification” is… not that.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by KolenCh »

ryanisnan wrote: post #698
permo-w wrote: post #593

Earlier quoted context omitted.

median is a type of average. the parent commenter means the mean

Is this correct? I know no definition where median can be interpreted as an average.

The median minimizes the L1 norm and the mean minimizes the L2 norm. (Of the error made between the estimator and the data roughly speaking.)

In this sense yes, median is some kind of average.

But then it is insensitive to the outliners, which is the reason it is suggested above.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by sixothree »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #277
PrivateButts wrote: post #62

TBH the thing I hate most about this category of SBC is the reliance on SD cards. They are both too unreliable to trust and so slow that they often bottleneck the SBC. Buying them is often a crap shoot too, I've purchased cards batches of cards from the supposed reputable manufacturers that were all over the board when benchmarked, and rarely did they hit the claimed speed spec. I would love if there was an alternati…

You can netboot a Pi. Every Pi in my house netboots. I have a whole bunch of them. Some play games, some play videos, some play music, and a few other minor things. Because they all netboot, you can change what each one does by renaming a file on the server and then rebooting it. It's great.

You can even boot from USB

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by sixothree »

nfriedly wrote: post #548

A number of vendors seem to only be showing 4GB and 8GB units for $60 and $80, but https://vilros.com/collections/raspberry-pi-5/products/raspb... has 1GB and 2GB variants for $40 and $50 respectively. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/ says "LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch)" so maybe the cheaper ones will be coming at a later date? Unrelated to that, the addition of a power…

How cow! You can buy them?!

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by jamesdhutton »

I am curious to know how people here use their RPIs today, and how the RPI5 might help. I have had a model 3 for many years, which I enjoy tinkering with from time to time. I still haven't gotten over the novelty of having such small, cheap computer that runs Linux and does a pretty good job of it. That said, all I do is tinker with it. I turn it on, write a bit of code, marvel that the code runs, and turn it off. I've bought a couple of hats which are fun too, but again it's just tinkering. I'm curious to know who here has found "serious" applications for their RPis.
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