Yeah, thanks, but I'm gonna go ahead and stick with the language made by the earnest working class guy. You know, the one that everyone loves to complain about, but that everything is built with.
Why I Left Rust
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Re: Why I Left Rust
#792Earlier quoted context omitted.
You must be fun at incident review. "The solution is to hire better engineers. Our root cause analysis shows that this should have never happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go."
You’re missing the distinction here between incompetence and malice. One member of leadership acted maliciously; the fact that they were successful indicates that leadership as a whole was missing some controls (formal or otherwise). The latter party is analogous to whichever engineer accidentally brought down prod, whom our post-mortems should not blame—but the former is not. If some dirtbag got angry about being pa…
I agree with everything you said. I think you meant to write this to the other person. They kept trying to blame the entirety of leadership for a leadership failure and suggests “picking better leaders”.
I, like you, suggested that the process needs to be improved but I’m not sure how.
Re: Why I Left Rust
#793Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But afaik, no one has proffered an adequate word to describe "folks that have too much melanin to be considered white". Such a word is not necessary or desirable, because the categorization system it supports is not meaningful or useful.
Of course it's necessary and desirable. The "categorization system" in question already exists, whether it ought to or not. Bipoc have a more difficult socioeconomic situation, because of their skin color. Should "LGBTQ+" as a category not exist, because they are people just like straight people? It is useful and meaningful to talk about the plight and state of, and advocate for, "Group XYZ that has been marginalized…
It is transient and fleeting, and it has little to do with melanin. People of Jewish descent, Italians, and even the Irish, used to be considered non-white at various points in the last 100 years in the USA. People whose skin is almost white can still be considered black if, say, one of their grandparents was black. But people whose skin is dark at the end of the summer are nevertheless white as long as it turns pale during winter.
Re: Why I Left Rust
#794Earlier quoted context omitted.
An important distinction on their moderation style: --- It's not censorship, it's lack of resources. We're volunteers. When it's too much work to moderate a thread, we just nuke it from orbit. -- matthieum @ https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/13tsmht/jt_why_i_left...
That's probably the worst way possible to handle it, worse than just leaving people to have their petty disagreements in the thread.
The other response, from kibwen acting with the moderator badging enabled, is more nuanced:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/13tsmht/jt_why_i_left...
Do read the full thing, but it roughly boils down to "If it happens at a time/on a day of the week when we have more moderator bandwidth available, we will make use of it to be more lenient. In the worst case it escalates to targeted harassment, and I promised myself to never let another 'Actix developer harassed into hiding' incident happen. Was it heavy-handed? Yes, and I wouldn't do it lightly. Also, I expect that anyone who really wants to know what was deleted can go to Reddit mirror/archive sites and the case you're referring to was the first time I had to act since Reddit surprised them by shutting down API access for the Pushshift service they relied on."
Re: Why I Left Rust
#795Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. The actual meaning of a composite symbol cannot in general be guessed from its constituent elements. This is pernicious in languages where the writing system has even a little of such character, and leads to stuff like e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22 It's OK to use this sort of playing with words in your stand-up routine, (e.g. Tylor Tomlinson's "Lot of my friends are settling do…
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22 As a (somewhat) native Chinese speaker, the contents of this page is kind of confusing to me, because as far as I can tell, the original saying sounds correct, or at least not wrong. If you search online for the phrase "有危就有機" (literally meaning: where there is danger there is opportunity) you'll see many results. It's a common saying (that said this could…
"somewhat" is a strange word to use in this context and probably warrants more explanation. Are you perhaps a child immigrant, and so you have a few early years of exposure in an environment with Cantonese everywhere and then moved somewhere else?
Yes an English Wikipedia article will tend to cite English text on the subject, because the assumption would be that it's mostly being read by people in English so text written in another language is less accessible. Also the quote it's debunking is English (it's by US President John F Kennedy), not Chinese.
Re: Why I Left Rust
#796Earlier quoted context omitted.
This whole exchange feels off. Essentially, the underlying spat is over a strong technical disagreement, but it is being prosecuted in this weirdly stylized language of emotion and abuse. I have no idea how something like this can be overcome so long as the core Rust community feels this is an acceptable way to handle things. Clearly this is something which extends beyond the immediate leadership team.
The problem is that the strong technical disagreement was not brought up the many times it could have! Instead the stick was stuck in the bike wheels way after the bike was moving forward at a decent speed. Though “downgrading keynote to talk” is obviously not the same as an outright disinvite, the fact that the original invitee asked explicitly about this content being pre-RFC (giving rust leadership the out to reso…
What I don't get here is the following. No matter how egalitarian you organize such a conference, doesn't it make sense that the organizers get the last say in what the keynote looks like? They have an rough overview over all contributions and they can decide if what you contribute is best suited to be a keynote.
Of course that gives them a certain level of power of the discourse, but what is the alternative? Community-voted conference structures that fail to take many variables into account that you need to take into account for an enjoyable conference?
If I were invited as a keynote speaker and the conference organizers tell me that the stuff I produced is good, but not suitable for the keynote I wouldn't blame them, but myself. The only instance I could imagine was if they invited me specifically for a spicy topic and my talk was too spicy for them. But a tech talk? Come on.
Re: Why I Left Rust
#797Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re missing the distinction here between incompetence and malice. One member of leadership acted maliciously; the fact that they were successful indicates that leadership as a whole was missing some controls (formal or otherwise). The latter party is analogous to whichever engineer accidentally brought down prod, whom our post-mortems should not blame—but the former is not. If some dirtbag got angry about being pa…
I agree with everything you said. I think you meant to write this to the other person. They kept trying to blame the entirety of leadership for a leadership failure and suggests “picking better leaders”. I, like you, suggested that the process needs to be improved but I’m not sure how.
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Re: Why I Left Rust
#798Earlier quoted context omitted.
The solution is to pick better leaders. This should never have happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go.
You must be fun at incident review. "The solution is to hire better engineers. Our root cause analysis shows that this should have never happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go."
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Re: Why I Left Rust
#799Earlier quoted context omitted.
The solution is to pick better leaders. This should never have happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go.
You must be fun at incident review. "The solution is to hire better engineers. Our root cause analysis shows that this should have never happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go."
If the incident review shows that it is due to sabotage, how would you deal with the responsible person?
Re: Why I Left Rust
#800When is the Taylor swift concert?
There's one going on right now!
(Until August 9.)