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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by sangnoir »

joering2 wrote: post #474
bombcar wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People writing the name of their murderer in blood on the floor is a murder-mystery staple; it is not real life. In real life you're in shock and what you do is completely disconnected from what you think you would do. The "watch people die" video collections show that, someone can be obviously dying (massive gunshot wounds, etc) and they carry on like nothing happened until they fall over dead.

I don't think you ever been shot at, had you? I had, and being in shock first thing I did when called 911 was shouting the name of perpetrator for close to a minute, before I realized they already know who may have killed me, and now its actually time to tell them what's happening with me. Again, it doesn't seem normal to say "someone shot me", if you know WHO shot you.

Were you shot, or where you shot at?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by mustacheemperor »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

>I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"?

From the looks of your replies, more than a few are back to comment here to say "Actually I am still right."

Which, frankly, seems to me more evidence I should just not bother to browse threads about this kind of inflammatory subject. Even on HN where discussion quality tends to be better, there's plenty of people who just show up to shout, and not listen.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by tga_d »

dang wrote: post #548
jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

Please don't take HN threads into ideological flamewar hell. Your comment was great until the last paragraph, which swerved dramatically for the worse and basically drove the subthread off a cliff. Comments demonizing other people and/or other groups of people are the scourge of internet forums. If you make it "y'all", that's worse yet, as now the demonized group gets to select itself and feel personally attacked. ht…

I can't help but wonder why it's prudent to sweep in for a comment like that, but not any of the comments that have been associating homelessness with murder rates on an article apparently about a dispute between two tech workers. It's almost like the guidelines are catered not towards high-quality discussion so much as an aesthetic of high-quality discussion by protecting the emotions of a specific class of people who would get offended by that comment. Or should I be flagging comments that euphemistically mention the "homeless problem"?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by throwaway292939 »

throwaway292939 wrote: post #685
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Sure. However the "lack of safety" perception is real too. If a homeless person walks up to you and aggressively threatens you as you are passing by, no crime has occurred. But if you're an SF native, you've learned to shrug it off as a commonplace occurrence. You've learned to become thick skinned towards these incidences. And when a real crime has happened, you'd likely assign more gravitas to it. This is why there…

People who are downvoting this... care to justify your point of view? Genuinely curious.

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Post by tthhrroowwaway »

jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

Not surprising. Hacker news is made up of a lot of people who worship billionaires and have a contempt for the poor

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Post by golf1052 »

whateveracct wrote: post #635
zenkat wrote: post #608

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I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

I wonder how many of the negative comments are by people who are actually living or have actually lived in SF? And not, say, down in SV. I wonder the same about Seattle. How many commenters are speaking from Redmond or Kirkland or Bellevue etc instead of the city?

I'm coming up on 6 years in Seattle. Lived in SLU or Denny Triangle (parts some people consider "downtown") the entire time. I've learned to just largely ignore the incredibly negative comments because my experience and the experience of all the people I know who live here are vastly different. While the city still has its problems I would like for people to approach solving them from a realistic point of view.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I don’t know anything about Mission Local, but reading of the article prior to reading your comment left me with the impression that the author was really invested in this being a targeted killing. The first part of the article started strong, and then it felt like the author was grinding a political axe, though I’m sure it’s in response to other articles grinding different axes. It was a well-written article to be sure, but I guess I’ve grown weary of motivated journalism.

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Post by fghsqwads »

ikiris wrote: post #775
palijer wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this[...] >I had to read scores of tech bros [...] Did you though? I can't recommend enough cutting out reading people's comments that you don't want to read. If other people's comments stress you out and make you angry, there are typically actions you can take to expose yourself less to them.

Yeah, ignoring the problem does a lot to make it go away for you . It doesn't help to make it stop being a problem though. This is basically the definition of privilege.

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Post by Apocryphon »

matt-attack wrote: post #322
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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That neighborhood isn't really known for homelessness unlike other areas of SF.

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Post by tootie »

kornhole wrote: post #626
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

I never believed the original assumption in stories. I am skeptical of what I read. Random murders are very rare. He was running a crypto company. Crypto space has plenty of shady things and people.

I got downvoted at the time, but Bob was heavily involved in launching Cash app which was exposed a few weeks ago as having inflated numbers to investors and been grossly negligent in policing their users many of whom were using the platform for crime. It's entirely possible that Lee was either mixed up with bad actors and/or pissed off some bad actors by providing details for the story. Obviously this is speculation too but it seems at least as plausible as it being truly random.
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