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People are very good at creating work. Every time tech creates a paradigm shift and people cry that there will be not enough work, the exact opposite happens.
In the US at least we have used every technology that increases productivity to keep hours of labor constant and make the rich richer. Millions of Wal-Mart workers have to do a year of hard labor just to earn the cost of a set of new tires for the CEO's 10th supercar.
I wish GPT4 had never happened
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#792Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…
Since you are actually using it to write code I have a question. Would it be fair to characterize its programming ability as "writing imperative code" or say creating macros and glue code? Or can it do higher level stuff like choosing data structures and algorithms?
It's important to understand that it doesn't know anything. It gives approximate answers based on statistical relevance.
For example, it has been noticed that ChatGPT can answer leetcode interview questions. That doesn't surprise me in the least, chances are that it contained the algorithm associated to slight variations of the question in its training data.
To generate boilerplate code it has been pretty good. Those are pretty repetitive tasks, so it is also expected.
Using it to explore the capabilities of frameworks, libraries and services has been great for the most part, but it sometimes tells me things that don't exist or just plain doesn't work. The funniest one was when it told me I could use an annotation on a method to do something, but the annotation didn't exist. When I highlighted it to ChatGPT, it started to get in a loop with variations of code that didn't work, claiming the previous answer was valid for version 3.0. The library doesn't have a version 3.0. it doesn't even have a 2.0.
Getting it to code is a wild ride. Sometimes it gets real close to give me something workable, sometimes it gives me stuff that will never work.
However, it is awesome at telling me what code is doing when I paste a snippet.
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>> To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income. What is income? What is it used for? Answers: it's a reward for work. And it is used as an incentive to get others to work.
> What is income? What is it used for? Money is a proxy for resources. If you boil it down to the essentials, income is the way we allocate the resources available to us to different individuals. It is not intrinsically a reward for work. It isn't even directly linked to work anymore in our capitalist system. The people who work the hardest don't have the highest income. The way the system currently works is that tho…
This is the one thing I find most strange. In some cases we pay more for higher skills that are harder to come by, but that seems far from the only thing causing this.
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As a fellow Swedish freelancer I’d like to know how you calculate that. Or are you doing B2C?
I’m including VAT in the calculation, and simplifies a bit by viewing the rest as salary.
If the VAT rates went to 0% you would still get to keep the exact same amount as with the current 25% rate. And when discussing B2B prices VAT is never included, as it is generally not an expense for the company but rather just an accounting detail.
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Nobody can be fully certain of this, but I suspect all the way up to 100%
We can actually be certain that humans work the other way since we ran huge experiments in labs called the Soviet Union and China. In those experiments we found out that people worked way less/not at all when there was no economic incentive to do so.
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The Nordic countries are actually the easiest place in the world to earn at least 30 million dollars (or become billionaire for that case) exactly because of the welfare system: https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU When you don’t have to struggle for a living, you’re more free to take risks and start your own business. Workers accept disruptive innovation and being let go, knowing that the state will help them reskill if nec…
You know, this is the first comment I’ve ever read on government participation in the economy (socialism, if you will) that seems to make great sense to me. I would happily pay into a tax fund that was locked to educating or re-educating participants in the workforce. I like this way better than plain UBI because of the potential for increased dignity, pride and self-esteem.
This is like trying to get govt to invent flight, when instead you just give markets as much power as reasonably possible. Cheap goods and services lead to innovation way better than govt capturing and "redirecting money to their brother's school."
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#797Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Nordic countries are actually the easiest place in the world to earn at least 30 million dollars (or become billionaire for that case) exactly because of the welfare system: https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU When you don’t have to struggle for a living, you’re more free to take risks and start your own business. Workers accept disruptive innovation and being let go, knowing that the state will help them reskill if nec…
You know, this is the first comment I’ve ever read on government participation in the economy (socialism, if you will) that seems to make great sense to me. I would happily pay into a tax fund that was locked to educating or re-educating participants in the workforce. I like this way better than plain UBI because of the potential for increased dignity, pride and self-esteem.
The main one being how would you pay for it?
Basic accounting says the moment population growth stalls you have more outflows than inflows. You can't print money without consequence, and there are other factors that confound these issues further.
Its the ideal of socialism, but the reality is you run into the economic calculation problem. Shortages happen because we live in a world of scarcity, and when they do the system collapses usually causing death (historically).
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I’m still a high earner so I’m fine. I still have approximately $7500/month after my taxes are paid. That’s a lot since all medical care, 1 year parental leave, my kids education from kindergarten through high school etc are “free”, e.g. paid with my taxes. My point was not to complain but to say to the guy that claims that we need a new system with more wealth distribution that those systems already exist. There are…
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#799Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Nordic countries are actually the easiest place in the world to earn at least 30 million dollars (or become billionaire for that case) exactly because of the welfare system: https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU When you don’t have to struggle for a living, you’re more free to take risks and start your own business. Workers accept disruptive innovation and being let go, knowing that the state will help them reskill if nec…
Nah I think something else is at play, as to why so many millionaires are in Switzerland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_... USA demolishing most everyone else, as you'd expect if you own what you create. Almost 10% of 400 million people are millionaires in the USA! Insanely productive all things considered. Also kind of shockingly the USA has the most progressive tax system, I believe --…
Hardly comparable.
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#800Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Nordic countries are actually the easiest place in the world to earn at least 30 million dollars (or become billionaire for that case) exactly because of the welfare system: https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU When you don’t have to struggle for a living, you’re more free to take risks and start your own business. Workers accept disruptive innovation and being let go, knowing that the state will help them reskill if nec…
Nah I think something else is at play, as to why so many millionaires are in Switzerland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_... USA demolishing most everyone else, as you'd expect if you own what you create. Almost 10% of 400 million people are millionaires in the USA! Insanely productive all things considered. Also kind of shockingly the USA has the most progressive tax system, I believe --…