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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by nonethewiser »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #203
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

The irony of that statement is that we're talking about a private company deciding what is or isn't appropriate on its platform, not de jure censorship. It is not Twitter's responsibility to facilitate the Republicans' attempted October Surprise. On the other hand, where Republicans have political power, they are using it restrict speech and rights, by law. "Both sides" are not the same.

This grants that Twitter is partisan though.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by lapcat »

jpgvm wrote: post #690
lapcat wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they weren’t trying to censor anything, they were just trying to follow their own moderation policies. Well, it seems more like they were trying to apply their moderation policies to another website, which isn't the same as applying their moderation policies to their own website. Anyway, moderation is censorship. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying that's what it is.

Did they? Where did they try to get NY Post to take the original article down?

> Where did they try to get NY Post to take the original article down?

Your reply is based on a mistaken assumption.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by hackernewds »

Dem_Boys wrote: post #127

Most concerning thing here is that this proves political parties (including the white house[0]) have a direct line to Twitter[1] to get stuff they dislike removed. One would have to assume that there was also a direct line to other social medial platforms. It's so wild to have the slimy-ness of our American political system be revealed in yet another way. So in America you cannot say negative things about political l…

To note, is that during the period the White House resided a president other than the one the thread implies to implicate. So the accusations of government interference is purposefully deceptive.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by concordDance »

mdasen wrote: post #446
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

I find these kinds of comments hard to respond to. I want to respond in a way that's constructive, but it's hard. It's hard because many Republicans are pushing the US in a direction that will harm millions of Americans in very significant ways. Tucker Carlson and Libs of TikTok all but encourage violence against LGBT people. Republicans are trying to prevent Black people from voting. Many Republicans tried to overtu…

You've clearly put a lot of effort into this post, but I think you need more one on one time with the more reasonable people who now vote Republican as I don't think you'd pass an ideological Turing test atm.

Understanding the perspective and desires of those voters (rather than just the impression one hears from social media and the news) is important to then figure out how to appeal to prevent them being alienated.

I sometimes lurk in a far(!) right internet forum and even there the vast majority also want to protect women, black people and LGBTQ people and think their policies will improve things.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by hackernewds »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #179
Dem_Boys wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest Question: If the white house contacts Twitter and asks for a tweet to be removed, is that a first amendment violation?

If we take the most innocent sounding version of this, where the White House points out that a tweet is in violation of Twitter's stated policies and asks for those policies to be applied, I think it's pretty clearly not. Of course those requests can and will be made in a biased manner, and it's naive to assume that the nature of the request isn't going to influence how Twitter responds to it, but it's definitely a m…

Good to observe that 1) the white House resided then president Donald Trump 2) the tweets submitted for removal were H Biden's genitalia, which are in clear violation of Twitters PoS.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by hackernewds »

googlryas wrote: post #688
sasmithjr wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the content of the "handled" tweets, though? I think that matters a lot. For example, the RealJamesWood tweet (from [0]) seems to be a leaked nude of Hunter; it was most likely (safe to say) posted non-consensually, and I don't really see a big difference between that kind of tweet and revenge porn. Having "stuff they dislike" removed would be one thing, but using the direct line at Twitter for reporting exp…

That's one tweet. What about the tweet by the spokeswoman suspended for referencing a NY Post article?

As has been lengthily defended by Twitter, the developing situation was that the material might have been hacked, and the product of an adversarial state government. If that were true in that situation, imagine the implications for Twitter for having amplified it

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by lapcat »

Akronymus wrote: post #482
lapcat wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They succeeded in their goal of preventing the story from harming their candidate a few days before the election. Did they? Of course Joe Biden was elected, but there's no evidence that this was the cause. I said "I haven't heard a good argument of why Hunter Biden should have been a crucial factor in deciding how to vote in 2020, when there were a ton of other vastly more important issues." And I still haven't hea…

https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-di... A very quick search led me to that.

LOL. NY Post claims NY Post story was important. This is laughable.

"Nearly four of five Americans who’ve been following the Hunter Biden laptop scandal believe that “truthful” coverage would have changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, according to a new poll."

"And an even higher number — 81% — said US Attorney General Merrick Garland should appoint a special counsel to investigate matters related to the first son’s infamous laptop, the existence of which was exclusively revealed by The Post in October 2020."

Needless to say, this poll is not representative in any way. Junk.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by 454544545 »

Terretta wrote: post #607
xdennis wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So as a moderate you prefer DeSantis approach to Disney It's amazing how things change. In the past the left would have been happy to see the removal of subsidies to mega corporations.

Just to set the record straight, it was not a subsidy. When Orlando papers did the math, they showed it will cost the tax jurisdictions more to provide the services than it cost to waive the taxes and let Disney provide them to itself. Further, Disney is far from the only private town with the same arrangement; it's how Florida does it all over the state any time there's a big enough planned development, because that…

DeSantis' actions are the will of the people. The only question is whether it's a violation of a corporation's free speech - and when does anyone ever really care about that.

Imagine a scenario where a corporation was talking anti-left stuff in a blue state. E.g. immigration, unions, etc. Would the people not be entitled to revoke their special privileges because they don't like what they are saying? This is the real test.

I'm actually not sure, but its interesting to flip the actors political affiliation to check for fairness.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by iinnPP »

Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

Both sides suck teammember here too.

I've almost completely detached from all news because none of it passes even the stuffiest nose in a sniff test.

My two favorite realizations: - Data is the best liar. - You can get -one- expert to say literally anything.

You can always find one expert with an opinion that matches what you want to say.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by imran0 »

preseinger wrote: post #771
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

I'm a moderate Democrat ... authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas both sides suck This is a great expression of what is commonly described as a South Park republican. That is, someone who believes they live in a political space between republicans and democrats which does not actually exist. The fundamental emotion is cynicism, which manifests as active hostility towards any notion of empathy for any other di…

> Anyone claiming to exist in this middle space is in practice a republican, just without the conviction that's typical to that party's base.

So it's basically, "If you're not with us, you're against us?"

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