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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by s1artibartfast »

mecha_ghidorah wrote: post #750
s1artibartfast wrote: post #691

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I'm sure Elon will have a mission statement that will appeal to some people. Imagine a new form of news and communication that solves all of our social woes, allows people to be informed, and have constructive discourse. That would be world changing. I'm not saying Twitter could ever be that. But maybe someone else could be convinced it is possible.

> Imagine a new form of news and communication that solves all of our social woes, allows people to be informed, and have constructive discourse. I did imagine that happening once - I imagined the internet would lead to that. The state of things now is very different from what the me of 15 years ago imagined, in part because of things like twitter in fact. I now believe that social woes have significant parts that ar…

I don't think the communication problems are inherent to the internet but I'm sympathetic to your greater point.

I think the gamification of communication on the Internet is one of the worst inventions, feeding into a lot of very negative neural architecture. Encourages people to seek quick validation from there like-minded peers, and encourages a sense of superiority people can only get from knocking down strawman. This is exacerbated by brief and content without any Nuance or resemblance to reality. In a lot of ways, Twitter incorporates the worst aspects of this. Reddit is arguably worse in terms of gamification, but at least it doesn't have a 144 character limit and tools to curate your consumption.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by malcolmocean »

koonsolo wrote: post #415
paxys wrote: post #322

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That's the core problem with this approach. Elon and others have the idea in their head that Twitter is a social graph where people come to interact with each other, and everyone is relatively equal. So every user paying $X/mo to solidify their place in the graph makes some conceptual sense. In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. A tiny percentage of users are creators while the vast majority are c…

> In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. There is a very big difference between Twitter and YouTube, and it's obvious once you know it. Look at the most popular people on twitter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Twitte... All celebrities outside of twitter. Then look at YouTube: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouT... Almost all made famous by YouTube.…

The idea that what matters most is having the most followers is very arbitrary and not relevant to many strategies for enjoying Twitter. In my experience, Twitter is best as a place to have conversations, and this is optimal at some number of followers below 10k. There are many accounts out there having an amazing time at small numbers, having curated a medium-sized following of people who are interested in talking with them about the things they want to talk about.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by cocoland2 »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #787
cocoland2 wrote: post #782

General question, There is so much toxicity in Twitter (even on Linkedin) and very little sane conversation (May be not just twitter, many social networks in general). For example recently saw someone post with POTUS on some ground breaking work on Immunotherapy for cancer (this was their 8 year research), replies and comments were outright bad to vulgar (did he smell your hair! went one). Mind you this was not a 4th…

Why is commenting about smelling hair vulgar, but not the actual POTUS smelling hair?

Not sure I get it. May be it is cultural, but the flamewars after that was borderline spam and personal. Here was someone who was talking of 8 years of their work and the approval for next stage trials showing promise and we had "unrelated" (for lack of a better word) discussion and comments.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by damon_c »

tyingq wrote: post #666
cvwright wrote: post #653

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He's quite active. https://stephenking.com/works/all/ then sort newest to oldest.

In fact, if you visit his IMDB page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000175/>, you'll see that right at this moment, the population of a medium sized city is employed producing content based on his writing.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

mattkrause wrote: post #765
CivBase wrote: post #696

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Maybe I have a fundamental misunderstanding of what compels people to use Twitter. I thought the few people in question use Twitter as a convenient tool to communicate with wide audiences (i.e. marketing) and the rest are mostly especially dedicated followers who want to be marketed to. Are there actually people who primarily use Twitter for "content"? Are the blue checkmark people (i.e. celebrities) even the ones ge…

I’m a research scientist and mostly use it to keep up with people working in similar fields. There’s certainly some marketing (“Check out our new paper”, “My lab is hiring”, etc), but it’s not particularly top-down; everybody does it to some extent. It’s also mixed in with actual scientific discussion, lab “hacks”, and some silly banter/blowing off steam. All in all, it’s been pretty helpful for me careerwise. I thin…

I'm in a few niche Twitter interest bubbles but none of us are "blue checks". If you're on Twitter for your small niche circle this is a lot of hubbub over little.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by thaumasiotes »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #771
minhazm wrote: post #595

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Unclear why this is getting downvoted, it is accurate statement. Only 20 of the top 50 channels are not brands. Of those 20 if you exclude music channels like BTS, Blackpink, Justin Bieber, etc. you're only left with 10 channels.

Wait, didn’t Justin Bieber get his start on YouTube?

And if you exclude people like that, it turns out nobody becomes famous on YouTube.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by thaumasiotes »

alphabetting wrote: post #779
minhazm wrote: post #595

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Unclear why this is getting downvoted, it is accurate statement. Only 20 of the top 50 channels are not brands. Of those 20 if you exclude music channels like BTS, Blackpink, Justin Bieber, etc. you're only left with 10 channels.

I think the point still stands. 6 of the top 10 on Youtube got their large followings being making content for Youtube. 0% of the top 50 on Twitter are primarily known for their tweets.

> 0% of the top 50 on Twitter are primarily known for their tweets.

Why limit yourself to the top 50? 0% of all Twitter users are primarily known for their tweets. Tweets are, by design, unsuitable for publishing content. They're useful for advertising content you publish somewhere else.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by speedgoose »

tenpies wrote: post #747
panick21_ wrote: post #690

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Model X is one of the best selling electric cars in the US and has very large margin for Tesla. It made a lot of news and an differentiates it from other vehicles in the class. I'm not sure I would consider it a failure.

> Model X is one of the best selling electric cars in the US No, that car is essentially a failure and I'm amazed Tesla hasn't completely cut it from production. It sold 1,316 units in the US September. They were selling almost 4,000 in September of '18. Even if you wanted to go by year, you're talking about 26,000 sold in the entire US in 2020 (it's best year and I'm ignoring '21 since there was a factory shut down)…

I suspect the low numbers are related to production and supply chain issues. You still need to wait for months to buy one.

Also most Tesla customers would buy a Y these days.

I see many X in Norway, which has a lot of rain and snow. What are the issues you mention?

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by lostlogin »

peter422 wrote: post #521
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #498

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If you're famous, you'll almost certainly have a twitter account, although there are obviously exceptions. The same just doesn't seem to go for YouTube. Creating content on YT is a lot more time-consuming than creating it on Twitter, of course.

This is why YouTube is a platform with value and Twitter isn't.

One of them sold recently and we can put a pretty solid number on its value.
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