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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by cryptonector »

tmcw wrote: post #773

Similarly via a quick Google search: - "Almost HALF Of San Francisco Residents Considering Leaving City" (according to survey of 500) - "One in three New Yorkers Considering Leaving The State" - "Over Half Of Young Lawyers Considering Quitting by 2027, IBA Report." Look for X people considering Y, and you'll find them. Considering is cheap. The awful experience of nurses, absolutely, true. But this, like so many othe…

It is probably meaningful if comparing to past years.

A lot of people did leave NYC, and probably NYS. So if a much larger number than usual are considering leaving , chances are that a larger number than usual will leave .

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Post by twblalock »

screye wrote: post #550

Not to be mean, but 'leave nursing' and then what ? Nursing is a well paying middle-class job without a lot of transferable skills to other professions. Don't say programming. It isn't the solution to everything. Other low-entry-barrier jobs pay much less and have exploitation problems of their own. For a lot of middle class families, dual income is essential to maintain their lifestyle. So SAHM is not an option. Nur…

Health care is far from a free market for labor, IT, etc. It's one of the most heavily regulated and dysfunctional sectors of our economy. The normal incentives like supply and demand don't work the way they would in other industries.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by dboreham »

mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

>IT systems that they have to use were designed by people who have not talked with the workers who use them.

Interesting thread because this is my current $dayjob! I work for an organization that is both a tech company, and a medical services provider, so we can optimize away the boundary between vendor and customer as far as the software is concerned. My particular area of interest is in providing system programmability that can be exploited by tech-capable clinicians to provide both better patient outcomes and more pleasant provider experience. Basically don't try to have software developers understand every last detail of the practice of medicine. Instead provide a programable platform that's usable by a subset of clinicians.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by giantg2 »

initplus wrote: post #780
throwawayboise wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe you can even be personally liable for HIPPA security violations as a user or dev of a healthcare system. Welcome to being an engineer, if that's what you want to call yourself. The engineer who approves a bridge design can be held liable if it collapses due to a design fault.

Lot's of better paid gigs with better working conditions where you aren't personally legally liable if you write a bug. I don't especially care about what job title some board thinks I'm allowed to use.

Yep. I believe that's really the core of the article - overhead like regulation and liability on top of working conditions have people looking to other professions.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by ikiris »

odysseus wrote: post #458
zdragnar wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the days before cell phones, my mom would wind up being on call for overnight labor & delivery. The final straw (certainly not the first) was that they got a call in the middle of the night that a woman came in in labor, and she had to drive in to work (a half hour drive). This woke up my dad, who also happened to be a light sleeper and worked a day shift. 20 minutes later (while my mom was well on her way in…

I would think some hospitals have rooms dedicated for the on-call nurse(s) to sleep in. Especially with something as common and false alarm prone as overnight labor & delivery. Pretty sure the midwifery I went to had this.

or... better yet.... 24 hour staffing. like a functioning 24 hour service should be.

This is just abusing the nurse to save a buck.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by [deleted] »

kenjackson wrote: post #748
js2 wrote: post #515

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Janie Harvey Garner, a St. Louis registered nurse: “In response to a story like this one, there are two kinds of nurses,” Garner said. “You have the nurses who assume they would never make a mistake like that, and usually it’s because they don’t realize they could. And the second kind are the ones who know this could happen, any day, no matter how careful they are. This could be me. I could be RaDonda.” https://khn.o…

If you don't go to jail for this, do you do so for any sort of negligence? What about an Uber driver that runs a red light and kills a pedistrian walking? Or is drunk and kills someone? That worries me a lot more than this story.

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Post by tsol »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #51
JaimeThompson wrote: post #9

Perhaps allowing modern MBAs to cost optimize most every single thing we do isn't the best way to assure mid and long term security and profitability.

Maximising profit by cutting down wages and personnel is not a MBA specific problem.

I mean it's a capitalism problem. Get rid of MBAs, people are still going to want to maximize profits and eventually will start cutting personnel to do that. The entire system encourages that exactly, isn't profit the only reason anyone does any work?

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Post by bluedays »

Wistar wrote: post #418
elhudy wrote: post #408

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Don't forget that nurses can now legally be thrown under the bus with criminal charges for malpractice while hospitals walk away scotch-free [1]. This is huge in the nursing community right now. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/24/1088397...

And, alas, found guilty: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/25/1088902...

Jesus Christ. As someone who use to give out meds this is such an easy mistake to make that it's crazy that this is now criminal.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by cptaj »

The entire medical profession is insane and intentionally geared towards inefficiency and difficulty.

They pride themselves in it being so hard instead of realizing that this is glaring problem that needs to be solved instead of nurtured.

This begins from medschool being prohibitively hard, to a lack of global licensing process, to doctors being on duty for 36+hrs when you cant legally drive a truck without stopping after 8hrs.

Its all wrong at every level.

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