YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

Post by ok123456 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #636

ok123456 wrote: post #564

After the mid-terms, any Section 230 protection these companies have is going bye-bye. Any kind of active moderation of perfectly legal speech through 'terms of service'/'community standards' will remove any common-carrier liability shield. Actions like this have turned this into political red meat for some. These companies really need to learn how to read the room. Ratcheting downward the ability of people to freely…

That is the wrong solution. The problem isn't people making content decisions, it's market concentration. They have too much market power and it lets them get away with too much hamfisted behavior without losing users. They've already gone far enough for the market to start to solve this. Rumble and Gettr and whatever else are gaining users. But it's producing an ideological split which is pretty dangerous. The other…

Post by rootusrootus » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

lliamander wrote: post #626

rootusrootus wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you call it if Democrats and BLM protesters had stormed the Capitol in 2017 demanding the vice president be hanged for not agreeing to turn over the election result? Please don't try and with a straight face claim it would be trespassing. I'd have called it insurrection.

You do realize left-wing protestors did actually destroy a fair bit of DC in 2017, right? And when DC boarded up again in late 2020, it wasn't in fear of right-wing protesters. Anyway, while I do disdain the use of violence for political ends, I do think the events have been exaggerated and misrepresented by the corporate press for political purposes.

Post by dgellow » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:20 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #754

dgellow wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, we are so far into what was considered dystopian in the past century, I don’t know if that even make sense to still use that type of categorization. But to actually answer your comment: 1. A company removing proven disinformation is quite far from what censorship is. Also not really something that would be considered dystopian. 2. I would disagree that Orwell work is about “censorship is bad”. His work is I…

2. It's more extreme than that though. YouTube banned a reputable news source for reporting on a story in which Trump tangentially mentioned election fraud. That's pretty Orwellian imo.

Post by _-david-_ » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:30 PM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #698

lenkite wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically the only news that should be allowed is news that satisfies the mainstream political narrative so that folks are kept fully sanitized. This is far more important than silly things like freedom of speech. Any critical questioning of the "facts" is "misinformation". Who cares later if the "misinformation" later is found to be true ? The most important thing is to obey and follow the will of the collective - s…

We’re talking about Trump denying the election results, which ended with a lot of violence in the Capitol. This is absolutely misinformation that did lead to radicalization.

Post by _-david-_ » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #750

coolso wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever Trump was doing to handle Putin certainly seemed to prevent Putin from doing any Ukrainian invading. I think Zelensky and the entire world would prefer more Trump phone calls and less Putin aggression right about now.

You know that the Russian army have been in Ukraine for Trump's entire term, right? One of his early big gaffes when running was to say "Russia won't invade Ukraine if he wins" and the journalist pointed out they already had.