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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sascha_sl »

ofou wrote: post #704
bourgoin wrote: post #112

I did a rough tally of the 70 removed episodes: Comedian: 45, Political Commentator/Media Personality: 8, Brian Redban: 5, Health/Fitness: 2, Scientist: 2, Author: 2, Musician: 1, Pornstar: 1, (MMA) Fight Companion: 1, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Kevin Smith, Cliffy B & Johnny Cristo (can't even figure out who these last two are)

They've removed comedians mostly because they talk about "sensitive" issues openly and without taboos, oftentimes politically incorrect and careless: ex. transgender and alike themes. Isn't this what comedy should be like? [1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHr5baraKo

Comedy is not equal to being offensive. Being offensive is not itself comedy.

Some comedy is offensively misinformed and still legitimately funny at the same time (e.g. Chapelle had some parts that made me chuckle, and some parts where I dreaded stereotypes about me being reinforced). But some is just bad. Look at Steven Crowder doing "comedy" for instance.

That aside, I'd rather they had removed Abigail Shrier, who is not a comedian but an author of a book full of falsehoods and anecdotes that contributes to a hateful environment that has measurably increased violence against LGBT+ people (up ~100% in the past 5 years in the UK). Or at least for the JRE to have ANY trans person providing different context. Chelsea Manning would be amazing, but I'm not sure if she'd be interested either.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by IshKebab »

rez9x wrote: post #717
kryogen1c wrote: post #705

this looks alarmingly like a destruction of wrongthink. comedians, musicians, joes friends. this isnt just the rambling conspiracies of alex jones or covid skepticism with non-consensus doctors. rather than debate the meaning of IP, free markets, or the first amendment, we should he focusing on us - the people. our communites. why is it that companies think its advantageous to silence people like this? it must be fol…

Looking through the deleted episodes, most of them aren't even the scientists and pundits in opposition to globalist narratives. They're comedians, actors, and musicians. I am clearly out of the loop. Why would Spotify remove episodes with Kevin Smith and Brian Posehn? I love both of these comedians/writers, but they're largely in-line with Spotify's neoliberal viewpoints, are they not?

I would guess it's because Rogan said something a bit racist or offensive in those episodes.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by chiefalchemist »

I can understand why Young and a hndful of other celebrities are upset with Rogan. They have a history with a childhood disease that has influenced their adult lens. Fair enough. We're all human.

Where the understanding breaks down is, why now? Why Rogan? Why Covid? What about all the other ills of the world that need addressing and fixing? For those they're silent? Things more long running and sure to keep running long after Covid and/or Rogan is gone.

As a priority, is Rogan + Covid a top issue? Or is there something more nefarious going on here?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by himinlomax »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Just because you are free to do something does not mean it's always a good idea to do it, and just because I support your right to do that thing does not mean that I should refrain from letting you know how I feel about it.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by branon »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't disagree with you, but legally purchasing the intellectual property rights to a work, and the proceeding to hide it from the public is still censorship in my book.

It might not be quite as wrong or bad as, say, state-sponsored blanket censorship, but I think we should call it what it is.

A work was available and now it's not. The only reason being that an entity decided that it should be removed from view. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information[0].

Here, information has been suppressed, thus, censored.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by stared »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

On a similar situation: Facebook banned "Confederation Liberty and Independence", a Polish far-right party (economically very liberal, socially very conservative, nationalistic), https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/06/polish-far-right-party-b....

There was an uproar. What is ironic, one of the party's postulates (visible on their website as a standalone slogan) was that they want to change the law so that businesses can refuse service to any person or group for any reason.

And well, Facebook exercised this law. :)

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by desio »

klagermkii wrote: post #581
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

Tell me, Mr Anderson. What good is a phone call, if you can't talk?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gregors »

FabHK wrote: post #766
naasking wrote: post #621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is censorship by definition. Whether you think it's justified is a separate question.

That is debatable. Many would argue that censorship "by definition" involves the government (not the case here), and not merely the removal of content by someone, but prohibition for everyone to distribute it (not the case here as far as I can tell).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_censorship Corporate censorship is a well understood form.

Example - A news station refusing to publish stories that involves their parent or a sibling company is a common one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_censorship Religious censorship is another well understood form.

If you're saying "political censorship" is the only form of censorship that matters - it's debatable in the same way flat earth arguments are debatable.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by HideousKojima »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Intellectual property is a government enforced monopoly, pretty much the opposite of a free market
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