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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

A young child faces far more risk of dying in a car crash on the way to pre-school or Chuck-E-Cheese than they do of covid, but I'll wager you didn't give up driving your kid around. Your child could get struck by lightning, or get bitten by a rabid racoon, but (hopefully) you don't dwell on the risks and live your life paralyzed in fear by them (yes, these risks are the same order of magnitude of a child dying from COVID). The same goes for having your infant or young child injected with experimental vaccines, whose long-term effects are just as unknown and unknowable as COVID.

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Post by panarky »

BTCOG wrote: post #669
nohankyou wrote: post #490

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45 years old and I've had Omicron since Christmas, still sick, still tired. I miss the flu.

I had the delta variant a few months back and it was so mild, I first thought it was just allergies. 2nd day, got a little bit of a tingly nose, stuffy, couldn't quite smell, but could still taste fine. 3rd day, same symptoms, 4th day, I was almost better completely. Fast forward about 1.5 months after I had that Delta coronavirus variant, and I got bronchitis from my young daughter. My ears became stuffed up for wee…

> I got bronchitis from my young daughter

Bronchitis is not a communicable disease.

Bronchitis is inflammation of the lining of the bronchial tubes which is typically caused by either smoking or viruses.

If you don't smoke, then what you got from your young daughter was almost certainly a virus.

Could have been influenza, or the common cold, or covid again.

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Post by Chilko »

rdw wrote: post #195
thomascgalvin wrote: post #85

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I think there are a number of factors at play. One, we've greatly reduced the risk of COVID through vaccines. This is the primary thrust of the article; if you've vaccinated, you're very unlikely to have serious consequences. Two, we're fatigued. You just can't be constantly vigilant for two or three years without something breaking. This compounds point one. We don't, as the article mentions, know what kind of relat…

Minor correction: it's actually nearly a 2% chance of dying (1.7%), after Delta became the dominant variant. Folks never really upgraded their talking points but subjectively 2% feels _much_ higher than 1%.

Indeed, particularly when you frame it as 1 in 100 vs 1 in 50

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Post by el_benhameen »

a45a33s wrote: post #778
el_benhameen wrote: post #208

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I am with you on all of this, with one small, slightly hopeful note. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. The existing cohort is going to receive a third dose at >2 months past their last dose (starting at the end of this month, probably), and then immunogenicity will be reassessed. I am incredibly frustrated that pfizer and the fda have been so slow to roll the vac…

>. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. can someone please explain to me the thought process of enrolling your child in an experimental medical trial for a medicine they probably don't even need?

I reviewed the available data on both the vaccine and the disease and decided that given my children’s medical history and my family’s medical circumstances, the risk/benefit calculus was firmly on the side of vaccination.

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Post by adamrezich »

uptownfunk wrote: post #684

If you think this is bad, wait until there is a recombinant variant that is a mix of Delta and Omicron. They are already calling it deltacron. - Frankly, I don't know how much more the collective psychological fabric can withstand. So many are well-past their breaking point. - Sending positive thoughts to all of you that we can continue to survive and persevere. - Many of us don't have the option to just stop (as muc…

"deltacron" is pure memery just like "flurona" was a few days ago. something that comes and goes in the news cycle, people consume the fear porn, then a day or two passes and everyone's forgotten about it and moved onto the next thing while the fear instilled remains. I haven't kept up with this stuff because the whole thing is a joke at this point but a day or two ago when "deltacron" was announced, it was already being announced before the day's end that whoops it was a mistake... but it could still be coming!!

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Post by hunterb123 »

warning26 wrote: post #438
40four wrote: post #407

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To be fair, the long term of effects of the vaccines are still very unclear. For adults and children. There are concerning reports regarding serious complications that tend to not get talked about very much in the media I chose to vaccinate myself. I don’t have kids, but I’m not sure it would be a given that I would vaccinate them yet. I think I would want to have a better understanding of the risks. Sorry you’re in…

If you're interested in Malone, I definitely recommend reading the Atlantic article about him: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m... TLDR: he got spurned early on in his career, is bitter about it, and seems to be willing to say just about anything as long as someone will give him some modicum of fame.

Who, the author of that hit piece, or Malone?

Ridiculous to try to sum up a scientist's life with a shallow hit piece written by a daft "woke" author.

Typical mudslinging strategy to discredit dissenters.

I can't believe people actually read trash like The Atlantic at this point.

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Post by zzzeek »

yupper32 wrote: post #211
zzzeek wrote: post #154

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wow, you just had a really awful covid experience despite having all preventive measures in place, and now that you're "done" it's time to take off the masks for everyone? thanks for "letting the chips fall where they may" on everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks

> everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks But what's the plan? Covid is showing no signs of going away. If things stay the same, is your stance going to change in a year? 3? 5?

it's not possible for things to "stay the same" because long covid will have been studied for years and there will be tons of data on it regarding what effect vaccines have upon it, what different variants do as far as long covid, etc. hopefully it will be well established that long covid is preventable by vaccines and/or new treatments have been developed and/or more evidence that "long covid" is not actually permanent will have been reached.

right now almost nothing is known about long covid except for the very terrifying pathways by which the virus causes it takes effect, directly attacking organs, cardiovascular, lungs, immune system, and brain with long term, extensive damage in some cases. no thanks

so the plan is "wait and see" until more is known. if indeed it's established that long covid is much too dangerous to be risked (in the same way that lyme disease is currently considered to be too dangerous to be risked) then hopefully they will work towards producing newer vaccines that keep the initial antibody wall up against variants, and oral antiviral drugs that stop the virus much more quickly will also be commonplace. as well as that the global population will slowly (very...slowly) be getting more and more immunity from vaccines and re-infection, hopefully reducing the rate at which new variants emerge.

so in 3-5 years there will be lots of things improving the situation. we are not there yet.

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Post by bondarchuk »

armchairhacker wrote: post #542
Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

people don’t seem to realize just how good we handled the pandemic. Of course, we handled the pandemic awful compared to what we could have done. But in hindsight there’s always a better way. In early 2020 we significantly altered society, cancelling major events, moving things virtual, and creating new apps and services to handle the pandemic. Then over the course of late 2020/2021 we created more apps and services…

>Imagine what an outbreak like this would do in an earlier time.

Probably we wouldn't have even noticed. Spanish Flu/black death is just no comparison.

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Post by a45a33s »

el_benhameen wrote: post #794
a45a33s wrote: post #778

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>. My under-5 is enrolled in the Pfizer study, and they are not starting over from scratch. can someone please explain to me the thought process of enrolling your child in an experimental medical trial for a medicine they probably don't even need?

I reviewed the available data on both the vaccine and the disease and decided that given my children’s medical history and my family’s medical circumstances, the risk/benefit calculus was firmly on the side of vaccination.

given that your young child is literally in the trial for young children, what data was there to indicate it was safe or beneficial for them?

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Post by SheepSlapper »

valachio wrote: post #608
twblalock wrote: post #577

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> The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3] That's in Phase I safety testing, with about 75 volunteers. If that works, the problem is solved. Sure, until the next variant. The problem of the spread was mostly solved by vaccines before Omicron, at least for people who got the vaccines. Then O…

It ends when people say it ends. There will always be natural disasters, whether it's earthquakes or viruses. If it's a new virus, yes people are going to die, yes hospitals are going to be overwhelmed (in fact I would be surprised if hospitals aren't overwhelmed when a new virus hits, which just means that hospital was over-funded and has too many idle staff). The virus was a creation of nature (conspiracy theories…

Hopefully people are waking up to this, because it's been true since the beginning. If enough people say "kick rocks" when new restrictions appear from on high, there's nothing a government can really do.

Maybe this will open some eyes, and next time a government comes around saying "stop earning a living, stop being social, listen to us and everything will be fine" we can collectively shrug our shoulders and get busy living. There WILL be instances where the kind of response we had over the past 2 years is justified, but COVID wasn't one of them.

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