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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by filoleg »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #642
lazide wrote: post #539

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If they have a right to do that, is that harassment? I doubt Purdue (up to now) has any policy saying it’s illegal to report someone to authorities for something they did. Even if those authorities are not popular right now and the thing they did is ok at Perdue but not at home. Is it a ‘dick move’ and offend our sensibilities? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were a…

> But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were at a French university during the 50’s and someone called the FBI telling them that Bob was saying a lot of scary things about communism and just got a Russian Girlfriend and maybe they should look into it. I’m sorry, but is this supposed to be a counter point? This kind of behavior would have been ridiculous and unacceptable as well…

^Fully agreed. That period in time is literally referred to as "Red Scare" and is considered to be a massive failure of an initiative based solely on fearmongering.

And yes, it is taught this way even in semi-rural high schools in southern US states as well (I attended a high school like that myself in GA about 10 years ago). It's like saying "well, US did the whole Trail of Tears thing centuries ago, so we can do a soft-genocide in 2021 as well with Uyghurs".

That type of an argument doesn't sound convincing in the eyes of anyone who doesn't already support what China is doing or some very vocal radical left minority (aka tankies and adjacent groups) in the west. For an example of the latter, just check r/sino, it feels like reading into some parallel universe.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

exabrial wrote: post #710
gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

That's been my experience too. When traveling to China, we were given a class and they advised us to not discuss any politics, even American ones, overseas. Other items that were "off topic" including voting, rights for non-traditional lifestyles, abortion, death penalties, taxes, and discussions about world conflicts.

Abortion world be on the list of taboo topics when touring the US as well.

Not because it's sensitive everywhere, but because it's very sensitive in some places.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

trulyme wrote: post #584
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #232

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Indeed.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Those that try to collect as much data as possible data from visitors will of course find it difficult to be compliant, but many do not do this and are therefore in compliance with GDPR. I do find the propaganda against GDPR annoying though. As an EU citizen (and someone who had to make sure we were compliant on multiple projects) I am happy about it. Is it perfect? No. But it's still…

> but many do not do this and are therefore in compliance with GDPR.

Of the parts of the web I frequent? Sure. Most people will never leave the GDPR-violating web most months.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by vidarh »

bostonsre wrote: post #667
vidarh wrote: post #228

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If you want to talk to a true believer, go to reddit, on /r/sino. /r/china has the people critical to China, /r/sino has the pro-CCP crowd. As for similar subs I'd expect the threshold for getting banned to be fairly low, though.

I'd be pretty curious to know if there are many people working for the CCP in propaganda in the /r/china forum. The possibility of astroturfing makes it kind of impossible to know the truth. But, I will definitely give it a read.

/r/china is very critical of the CCP, so I doubt there are many there - even relatively innocuous-looking stuff positive on China tends to get piled on there. /r/sino is opposite.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

thesuitonym wrote: post #205
fefe23 wrote: post #8

I find it highly entertaining that they talk about denying rights and then deny the whole of the EU access because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU.

It's not denying rights, it's denying service. Right or wrong (I think it's wrong, btw), let's not mix up what's happening to make it sound worse.

Isn't denying service even worse?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by tailspin2019 »

1024core wrote: post #754
tailspin2019 wrote: post #714

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> and he's using the name for an online school Purdue bought. I've read this several times but not sure what it means - what "name"?

I read it as: he bought an online school, and started calling it "Purdue" to cash in on the school's reputation.

Hmm. Purdue bought a school and “cashed in” on their own reputation? Still confused… :)

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by plandis »

I’ve had the pleasure of working with and getting to know several Chinese nationals and nearly all of them were hesitant to take about China when discussions at bars would turn to world politics.

I wonder if this is how your average American would have felt at the height of McCarthyism? I hope one day Chinese people feel more free to speak their minds about their government.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

minkzilla wrote: post #339
oauea wrote: post #157

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Of course, lawyers exist to make themselves money. Doesn't change that if you don't violate GDPR you won't be fined. A simple blog does not violate it, so they must be doing something creepy.

Very simple sites can violate it. For one example: if you, or anything in your stack, logs IP addresses you need a legitimate business interest to do so. It is needed for security and usage statistics and stuff but you will need a lawyer to explain that when you get hit with some fines.

First you would get a request from a private citizen to explain. And -if you can indeed explain- it would seldom go further than that.

Possibly it'd be nice to have some boilerplate and possibly config tweaks for some of the most common default server configurations though. (Eg. for a standard Wordpress site).

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang »

Msw242 wrote: post #753
dang wrote: post #742

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Maybe so, but rightful outrage is not a sufficient condition for a good HN thread. If anything, it makes people forget all about the mandate of this site in a rush to express their rightful outrage.

So wouldn't the submission be the problem, instead of my comment linking the issue to developments happening on modern campuses?

No, because the submission is interesting, contains new information, and is possible to discuss substantively—as many commenters in the thread are demonstrating. That makes it on topic for HN.

The onus is on commenters to stick to the site guidelines, regardless of how provocative the information in a submission may be.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #549
netcan wrote: post #497

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Because the most intimidating part is arranging a secret police visit to his parents. Students arguing politics, even if uncivil, isn't something you want to be "no tolerance" about. There are lines though, and this is one.

Anyone who;s attended a western university has seen how ... emotional? the politcals can get. I think this is probably a good thing, so it's tough to determine when the line is crossed. It sounds like it was definitely crossed here but it's still a tough minefield to navigate.

There seems to be a large or loud group who stoke their emotions, but not their rationality .. its like the blood drains from their head when their heart gets fired up

Emotions are good, but excessive emotions without deep understanding is something very different.

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