I very rarely hit dislike; I mainly do it for misinformation or clear manipulation.
I've found myself doing it for clickbait; lots of videos claiming to be one thing and are instead something else.
Making the dislike count private across YouTube
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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#792All is not lost, as the dislike count is not independent of the number of views and the like count. Specifically, if a popular video has a small number of likes, one can safely assume that it has a large number of dislikes.
That is not a safe assumption at all. You're assuming the total number of votes is proportional to the view count. But a more provocative video will prompt more people to vote A video that makes people angry might encourage people to vote who otherwise wouldn't have voted
I think a popular video will attract votes one way or the other.
A video that makes people angry will encourage people to dislike the video, and thus eat into the total vote share.
I agree that this likely only covers videos with a large number of views (~millions). There's a long tail where the view count/vote count is not enough to comment on the number of dislikes.
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#793This is a damned shame. I use dislikes to gauge if a video is relevant to the topic at hand. For example, I like fixing stuff and use Youtube for unfamiliar items. Often videos with a high number of dislikes are Spam (usually a bot reading text from some website), Videos where the person handwaves through the steps, videos where the fix is improper, or videos where the creator spends more time monetizing than working…
Same thoughts I had, the more niche the topic the more important this feature was for finding a workable solution. A year back I was fixing a microphone and 9 of the 10 videos I looked at on it were convoluted expensive or ineffective work-arounds while one actually showed how to fix the issue relatively easily. I'm really gonna miss this feature.
Some heavily downvoted videos are great.
Here's a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM
Currently rated 3.7k likes, 15k dislikes. It's so good.
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#794Also, coming soon: User comment: DISLIKE Other users click like button on comment a ton of times... Next official move? Making comments visible to subscribers and premium users only... Google is going against basic human nature here and it's Orwellian as fuck. Next unofficial move? Censor comments containing, "DISLIKE" because the ones doing it will stand right out same as they did before and having them not stand ou…
Video creators can censor comment sections as they wish, so this really won't work.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#795Also, coming soon: User comment: DISLIKE Other users click like button on comment a ton of times... Next official move? Making comments visible to subscribers and premium users only... Google is going against basic human nature here and it's Orwellian as fuck. Next unofficial move? Censor comments containing, "DISLIKE" because the ones doing it will stand right out same as they did before and having them not stand ou…
Video creators can censor comment sections as they wish, so this really won't work.
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It will, and the ones who allow it will stand out just as they do now by allowing comments when others do not. Fact is most creators actually delivering value stand to gain from both robust comments and feedback. It's just not a big deal.
In a more general sense, it's turning a comms medium into broadcast. In broadcast nobody really gives a fuck what ordinary viewers, listeners have to say. Their job is to eat ADS and shit CASH.
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#796Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…
I just canceled my premium subscription. I'm not taking this lightly, YT has been an important part of my life for as long as I can remember. But at this point it feels like the responsibile thing to do is to vote with my wallet. Not that a change in course is likely; their leadership has been hell bent on ruining the platform for years.
Seems like a bit disproportionate reaction. Most of YouTube's value is in the videos.. not the dislike counter. Help me understand the trade-off here...
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#797why isn't YouTube a public utility yet? or forfeit it for stewardship by archive.org. having the power to monopolistically decide on the design and technical choices for billions of people using proprietary/black box tech is absurd.
What public service allows citizens to rate each others contributions? A public service would be even more adverse to this feature.
YouTube doesn't need to be nationalized. It needs thriving competitors.
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#798What's stupid, is (as long as comments are enabled) all someone needs to say is "I dislike/hate/loathe this video" and everyone who would have previously disliked the video, upvotes that comment (perhaps as well as...).
Although I guess it all counts as engagement, so win-win as far as YT are concerned.
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#799This is another example of how the ruling class is trying to reassert control over the narrative and flow of information. Flag dissent as `misinformation`, remove comments, remove dislikes. Bit by bit, clamping down on the ability for the public to revolt.
They've also manipulated search results in the last few years. Before ~2018 if you searched for a political debate, the top result was likely to be an independent content creator or someone who was there, a vlog, or something like that. Now it's all.. FOX, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. I wonder if the legacy media is paying Google behind the scenes to promote content.
Isn't the bar higher for NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, etc?
I.e. If they say something false on purpose, they're likely to get sued out of existence. Whereas, some random guy can just say "oh, I was only joking, or this is just entertainment, or it's just freedom of speech man... YOU are responsible for checking my dis-info" after spreading lies on purpose.
Personally, for these reasons, I trust the mainstream news sources MUCH more than the random person on the internet that may or may not be trying to sell me some snakeoil on the side (e.g. Alex Jones).
Disclaimer: These are my own views, and not of my employer.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#800This seems one sided. Why not hide the “like” count too and make both like and dislike counts visible only to the creators while using the individual action of each viewer for recommendations?
I don’t understand why a dislike brigade could be harmful but a like brigade couldn’t be (like propaganda and/or misinformation). They seem to have considered only the impact on creators, who are a small percentage of the population, and not the impact on susceptible viewers, who are much larger in number.