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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Aperocky »

trebor wrote: post #521
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Actually, they kept one of the oldest mistakes: overcharging. $400 to upgrade from 16GB RAM to 32GB. $200 to upgrade to 1TB SSD. These guys control the whole supply chain without middlemen like WD, Samsung, Crucial, etc — and they charge basically double what anyone else charges. I'm not paying $2k for a laptop below what I need as a developer, when Apple is ridiculous. Inflation is murder right now, and they JACK th…

Here's the deal. I don't care if I can get something workable for $1000 less. When I'm making many times that with the laptop as my primary interface for work, I'd rather spend more just to make me feel that tiny bit better each day.

The touchpad alone is probably worth it.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by y7 »

poo-yie wrote: post #573

Really impressed by the new MacBook Pro. Part of me would really like to order a 14" model with M1 Pro and 32GB RAM. However, I really don't like Apple's direction with macOS. I'm still running a 13" MacBook Pro from 2013. What's a little strange is that I first came to Mac with the introduction of OSX 10.0 although I wasn't overly keen of the hardware at the time. Now, I feel that the situation is reversed. I really…

I'm exactly the same. I was looking forward to leaving Apple's ecosystem and getting a Framework laptop or something similar (I'd prefer AMD and I'd like to run Qubes, which is rather picky with its hardware). But with this release Apple is making it hard to do.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Bud »

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Some of this had been previously fixed but not noticed by some: keyboard was fixed on the last Intel MBP models. Headphone jack was never gone to begin with. RAM had already been boosted.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Bud »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #504
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

As someone who bought a mid-2018 with the escape key on the touchbar, then watched the next model have it's own key, then watched all these ports get added back... I'm extremely frustrated to say the least. Trade in is valued at $840. If I had known either of these two updates would have gone " backwards " like this, I would have waited to purchase

Ignore the "trade-in" value. Your machine has excellent resale value, because it's a Mac. Take advantage of it.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by downWidOutaFite »

Whitespace wrote: post #772

My iPhone 13 has an amazing front facing 1080p camera, FaceID scanner thing, speaker, and other stuff crammed into a small notch, but the notch on this is even larger and only has a camera? What gives? Why is the notch so wide? (I'm still getting one to replace my 2012 MacBook Pro)

Your iphone is a lot thicker than a macbook's lid.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Bud »

Sephr wrote: post #780
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Bringing back a dedicated HDMI port is a downgrade. This port can only do 4K 60Hz HDR (implying HDMI 2.0), which is inferior to previously-supported standards in addition to taking up space as a single-purpose port. The Intel MacBook Pro 16 supports DisplayPort 1.4 over USB-C, which can do 4K 98Hz HDR, and doesn't take up dedicated single-purpose ports.

Nope! Not a downgrade. Distinct upgrade. You are aware this machine has THREE Thunderbolt 4/USB-C ports, yes?

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by fastball »

Alex3917 wrote: post #755
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

> Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow. They couldn't use LPDDR5 RAM with Intel chips. They wanted to bump up the RAM years ago, but couldn't do it until now.

2019 16" maxed out at 64GB, which is the same as the M1 Max.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by r00fus »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #645
ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Agree- I have been largely disappointed by USB-C. It's been okay as a smaller USB-A replacement for flash drives and mice, but in general the lesson of USB-C is: just because it fits, doesn't mean it works. My personal favorite annoyance is how chargers and cables are advertised with the wattage they support, but it's really the voltage and current that matters. If you have a device that wants 20W as 9V/2.22A , your…

> Agree- I have been largely disappointed by USB-C. It's been okay as a smaller USB-A replacement for flash drives and mice, but in general the lesson of USB-C is: just because it fits, doesn't mean it works.

I think USB-C works fine (h/t Benson Leung) but the implementation is problematic. Partly because of the complexity of everything they've tried to shove in, also partly because USB-A still exists and is the biggest competitor USB-C needs to overcome.

Give it 5 more years and we'll look at USB-A like serial ports. Till then, USB-A is legion.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Nition »

MengerSponge wrote: post #15
shantara wrote: post #9

Everything they’ve said about the new MacBook Pros is extremely promising, but they had to add a notch to the screen. Just why? All for the sake of reducing the top screen border by a couple of millimeters.

Try this: Instead of thinking "Boo, they took away part of the screen with a notch" think "Yay! They extended the screen a few mm on either side of the camera" If you want to join us in the cult of Mac, learning little contortions like that will make you a lot happier.

I remember naively asking on the Mac forums once, whether there was any way to have the laptop lid closed in Mac OS without putting the laptop to sleep.

Of course not, I was told. Apple's laptops use a superior thermal design, which could damage the laptop if the lid is closed while it's left running. Who would want to do that anyway? Better to have good cooling.

I didn't even bother to reply and mention the fact that my Windows install on the same laptop allowed it without complaint.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by [deleted] »

dntrkv wrote: post #414
nharada wrote: post #53

Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept th…

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