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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

Yeah, I’m a paying spotify customer and I hate this. And I also hate that the spotify client seamlessly mixes podcasts with music in its recommendations. It’s like a PM somewhere at spotify was offered a cash bonus based on how many podcast listens happen, and they decided that making the app trick people into playing podcasts was a profitable idea. It breaks trust, and makes the spotify app feel adversarial. Like I…

I couldn’t agree more.

I’m a massive music fan and podcast listener.

Spotify had been my go to for music, but the combination of podcast and music has absolutely killed my experience.

I love both, but when I’m listening to music, I don’t want to listen to podcasts and vice versa. They serve different purposes for me, all audio is not the same.

I’ve recently switched to YouTube Music. I will occasionally use Spotify for podcasts.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Hearing "Exclusively on Spotify" on any podcast ad is a sure-fire way to make sure I never listen to an episode. One of the great features of podcasts is the flexibility in listening platform and I'd really rather not switch to Spotify's substandard user experience.

I listen to a lot of podcasts and cram as much content into a small amount of time as possible. I've also been listening to podcasts since about 2006. It sounds absurd, but I have a "podcast workflow" that centers around Castro (highly recommend it).

I'm a long time (since Startup) listener of Gimlet podcasts. Slowly Gimlet podcasts are moving to Spotify exclusives. When that happens, I just stop listening. I'm 100% not interested in using Spotify. In a crowded market it just makes room for something else.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

> Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food. I think you've got the wrong analogies going there. You, the unvaccinated, are principally putting yourselves at risk but you are also , and more importantly, putting others at increased risk of transmission from yourself. Adjusting your content f…

Fully vaccinated people are both spreading COVID and becoming COVID positive. Following the news can be a good thing, too.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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> I do think he genuinely is looking for the best ideas. I lean more towards he’s looking for affirmation to be contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian. If he was looking for the best ideas, he would of had a completely different set of guests.

I suppose that is possible, but I dont really find him overly contrarian and a lot of his views are relatively centrist to slight libertarian. I will say I think he looks for folks that he jives with more than most qualified for the subject. But really Im not here to defend Joe and honestly have not found a lot of compelling guests of late on his show. I just dont think he is as bad as he is sometimes made out to be.

>I will say I think he looks for folks that he jives with more than most qualified for the subject.

Then how can you honestly believe he's just looking for the best ideas?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

I think that's OK, as long as you accept the consequence of being outcast from society - ie not allowed to interact or go into a public place where you are a threat. "Not making other people sick during a pandemic" is a pretty reasonable prerequisite for social interaction.

Unvaccinated people are still allowed to interact and be in public places where 'they' are a threat, and where vaccinated people are too -- to them.

So, no -- I do not have to accept the hypothetical, strawman consequences that you fantasize about.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

->ride motorcycles, combat sports, or eat homegrown food. What an interesting choice of examples.... Can't help but thinking one of these things is not like the others.

I don't know what you are referring to. Homegrown food? It can have parasites bro. If that's not what you're referring to, no need to play guessing games. Be specific.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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The Polio/SV40 thing is itself an antivax talking point (and for the most part a load of nonsense). https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-antivaccine-zombie-...

>antivax talking point (and for the most part a load of nonsense >>polio vaccine administered from 1955–1963 was contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). The virus came from the monkey kidney cell cultures used to produce the vaccine. Most, but not all, of the contamination was in the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). Once the contamination was recognized, steps were taken to eliminate it from future vaccines. There…

You posted a lot of evidence that SV40, a virus, causes cancer. You are using that to argue against a vaccine that targets a virus (the COVID-19 vaccine), because that vaccine might be contaminated with a virus? This is absolutely ridiculous. Viruses cause cancer, not vaccines.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Rejecting people that promote the "Sandy Hook was fake!" conspiracy theory and even harassing the parents of murdered children isn't a way to avoid offending the "progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley". It's just common decency. ... Can we at least set the bar at that level -- that we _don't_ harass the parents of murdered children for clicks?

I, for one, prefer free speech to deplatforming. Who gets to say what’s right or wrong — you?

Surely a company choosing not to publish certain material falls under the umbrella of their free speech rights? Or are we all for compelled speech now? If someone has a podcast that Spotify carries and then say they think the Holocaust was a good thing, is Spotify committing a sin by removing that episode or kicking that person off their platform?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.

Thankfully your idea of "perfectly reasonable" is not, and most likely will not, be law. And if it is, I will happily move to a state where it is not.

It is scary what some societies throughout history have defined as "perfectly reasonable".

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Aren't they still available on YouTube / elsewhere?

The problem, as with every memory-holed episode ever, is that people watching/listening for the first time (or say they only use X platform to consume whatever) will never know they existed. In other words, lying by omission is still lying. Edit to add- just to show how unbelievably petty the reasoning can be- Tyler Perry threw a bitch-fit about an episode of Boondocks and had it pulled (as was an episode ripping on…

That seems strange though. YouTube isn't a library where I expect them to host anything uploaded forever under any circumstances.
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