Make a web app that works well on mobile browser and escape the App Store police.
Logically, if Parler should be removed from the app store, Safari should also refuse to connect to it. Either way, it's Apple providing your access.
Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler
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#792I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…
The problem here is that private companies are doing something that only democratically legitimized state authorities should be doing, deciding what is allowed or not allowed. Otherwise we are always dependent on the good will of the companies without democratic control.
I will add to that, I believe that in order for a democracy to properly function we need free speech, truly free speech that is. Democracy is not designed to allow the morally righteous side to win power, it is designed to allow the popular majority to win power regardless of what they believe in and the morality of their beliefs. In the U.S. we have a large majority of the public that believes in one thing and another that believe in something radically different and I don’t think we should silence either of them if we want to keep the U.S. truly democratic. The argument that Parlor incites violence is irrelevant in my opinion since violence in this case is the result of free speech which ultimately serves the greater purpose of having a democracy. We should be prepared for the fact that the majority believe in something different than us, even if that something is radically different from what we believe in, and we must accept that and let their voices be heard as well. If we cannot accept what other people are saying than we cannot say the U.S. is truly a democracy since the foundation of that are free speech without limitations.
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#793Cyberpunk 2021 but instead of getting leg modifications to jump over buildings, you're stuck in your home wearing a surgical mask and only allowed to watch corporate approved news.
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#794I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…
Free speech is so invaluable that it is insane to squander for such an inconsequential event. It has the ability to save millions. It could cost us a lot before this would even be a real discussion.
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#795I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…
I feel like this post doesn't address the real risk that comes with suppression. What if we lived in a very different society, where basic ethical views were far outside prevailing norms? Is there a case for choosing discrimination as the newly banned form of speech other than the fact that egalitarianism is a key value in our society today--what is it?
I don't know much about Parler - it sounds like the key people there were real assholes and possibly criminals. There are any number of reasons that might apply for getting rid of it. Parler might not be the limiting case that decides our rule.
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#796I don't even care about the free speech argument. Ban the racists, great. All I'm saying, is that Cthulhu is not happy Signal is #1 in the app store right now. Big tech/brother/whatever will never be your friend. The zeitgeist wants to eat you. The drone in your window will see you downloading that decentralized OS (I hope that's just poetry).
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#797I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"
Your free speech rights don’t extend to other people’s property. You can say whatever you want but you can’t force other people to host your speech against their will.
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#798How does AWS know what's hosted on their VMs?
Likely someone out to get Parler taken down noticed that they were using S3 URLs or something, and complained to AWS.
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#799It's pretty dumb, since I guarantee more people organize violence via Twitter and Facebook than Parler. Even via Gmail.
There's a bunch of Antifa accounts that conduct doxxing and organise riots on Twitter. Why is Twitter fine?
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#800I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…
The problem here is that private companies are doing something that only democratically legitimized state authorities should be doing, deciding what is allowed or not allowed. Otherwise we are always dependent on the good will of the companies without democratic control.
A private company is not a government. They should be allowed to make any lawful decision you or I disagree with.