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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#792I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why
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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#793Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am not sure if asymptomatic transmission has been confirmed or not. It's been confirmed, from early experience e.g. with the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt. It seems to be rare. But paucisymptomatic transmission -- transmission before symptoms have manifested in people who will eventually be symptomatic -- is much less rare. So just quarantining people with symptoms doesn't work.
> But paucisymptomatic transmission – transmission before symptoms have manifested in people who will eventually be symptomatic – is much less rare. The definition you give is for presymptomatic not paucisymptomatic (the latter is basically having trivial/mild symptoms that don’t raise complaints), but transmission in both cases is a significant risk, much more so than true asymptomatic transmission.
Yes, sorry for eliding this.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#794Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear, you know multiple super rich people that were able to get a vaccine out of a -70C warehouse and keep it refrigerated while it was delivered to them?
A more promising vaccine was developed in January 2020 and requires only -4C https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30027-1 and has had good results in trials from March.
The link in your comment doesn't have anything to do with what you've said.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#795Those who voted no, why?
I am worried about potential long term risks of the vaccine. We didn't know COVID could have long term side effects until well into the pandemic. It's a tough choice to make, what if the vaccines cause long term problems? What if I don't take the vaccine and get COVID and develop long term problems...
It's hard to trust pharma companies. I lost a lot of people to overprescribed opioids and that shook my trust in the healthcare industry.
I don't at all miss the "life" precovid, and my job doesn't require me to be in office or travel. My family is closer nowadays than before. So I'm not chomping at the bit to get the vaccine.
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#796Missing choice: 4. I overcame COVID already Otherwise those people will probably answer NO, which can lead to poor interpretations.
That option is PHI though and would itself receive skewed results because of that.
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#797Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I do not believe my government (Canada) is making decisions based on science As a Canadian currently living in the US, it seems to me like Canada has handled things better out of the two countries... less than half the deaths per capita, and they managed to avoid the hospital overloading that happened in some states. Putting a lid on international travel early on seemed to make a big difference for Canada, as well…
> less than half the deaths per capita There's so much luck involved in those figures at any given point, not to mention the influence of different definitions and testing strategies, that I wouldn't make the claim that Canada is doing better or worse based on stats like that. Just look at the huge differences between different states (and in Canada's case, provinces). After all, two months ago you might have said th…
Yeah, Canada was looking really good compared to the US back in the summer... but recently things have kind of gone to shit for both countries and the outcomes are pretty indistinguishable now. I don't really know enough to comment on what changed, maybe random chance is a big factor like you say.
The only good thing is that my family and friends in Canada have stopped making smug comments about the superiority of the country...
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#798Earlier quoted context omitted.
I will take it after a year or two. The US did a great job at politicizing the virus such that I don't really trust that pharma companies actually did their due diligence with regard to testing and safety measures. I accept that doctors and scientists will take it under the guise of them "knowing it's safe", and I accept that lots of people will say "If they're doing it, you should too", but I think this strategy jus…
No, you are accepting the possibility that you may get COVID and die and that you may be spreading it to other people who may contract it. Most people in this thread seems to be forgetting that second part.
> that you may be spreading it to other people who may contract it.
Yes, but, given my age/health, wouldn't the people already at risk already have been offered the vaccine? And if they opted against it, they also made their choice?
And for the people that are unable to get the vaccine for whatever reason, isn't that a scenario in which I feel it's either me putting my safety at risk instead of them putting theirs?
I am sympathetic towards people that are allergic or for whatever other reason cannot get the vaccine, but in the same way that they opted to not take the vaccine to protect their health, is that not exactly what I'm suggesting? I do not feel the vaccine is verified safe and am attempting to protect my health?
Curious what you think.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#799there is more than one vaccine. also the first wave of vaccines are focused on reducing symptoms and deaths. the vaccines that actually prevent viral infection altogether, are still in development.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#800Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, I appreciate you having a legitimate conversation about this stuff instead of dismissing my arguments for the aforementioned political issues. I think skepticism is fair on both sides. > But we've bounded the risk to be much, much less than COVID in almost all populations. Are you sure? And by sure I mean, there is enough data to prove this statement to be true? How? > Generally, a whole lot of the reasons why…
> Are you sure? And by sure I mean, there is enough data to prove this statement to be true? How? Reasonably sure. Even looking at the low death rate 25-34 population, deaths have been about 4 per 100,000 population with only 15% infected so far; a natural trek to herd immunity will presumably kill 6-12 more per 100k. There will be even greater amounts of morbidity and hospitalization, too, than outright death. Compa…
> Compare to ~22000 dosed in trials; two of the vaccinated died from causes that don't look related to the vaccine, and four of the placebo group died. This mostly lets us exclude a high death rate from the vaccine. Several in the placebo group ended up hospitalized from severe COVID; none in the vaccine group ended up hospitalized from COVID or vaccine related side effects.
How frequently are vaccine side effects measured 1-3 years out? How frequently do vaccines present side effects on the 1-3 year timeframe?
> Indeed, the entire judgment call made in emergency use authorization is exactly that: the benefits of the vaccines appear to conclusively outweigh the risks.
Had that judgement call not been made in one of the least competent governments in US history, I think it might carry more weight, no?
> the benefits of the vaccines appear to conclusively outweigh the risks.
I would challenge this statement in that I don't believe it possible to fully understand the risks yet. Is 22000 over ~three months the normal amount of time a vaccine trial runs (I am asking somewhat rhetorically, in that we've heard time and time again that this is not the case)