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The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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There’s a big difference between a parent and the adults in charge at a boarding school, in terms of the emotional support and things that those adults will do for them. I’m sure most 13 year olds plead with their parents to take them certain places or buy them certain things (e.g. specific food and clothes, etc.), and while I’ve never been to boarding school, I imagine you have to figure out how to get things for yo…

It likely depends on the country, but I am sure there is no lack of pampered/spoiled children at boarding schools. In the US, where free boarding schools are practically unheard up, it is even more likely. The adults should be ensuring you don't grievously injure or harm yourself, and that you're returned in same/better condition. You can always ring up your parents and ask for stuff, it's not like you are adopted by…

One of the value propositions of these boarding schools is that they don't put up with your kids crap and your kid hopefully doesn't become a spoiled brat.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I really love the quote at the end: > I'm a dad who is happy to have his daughter and fiancé living with me. They pay the utilities and make me nice meals, and it makes it a lot less lonely here. ... I like the multi-generational thing. I know it won't last forever, but it makes life better for now. It's so easy to get into that cold statistical mindset about these large-scale trends, but it's good to remember that t…

I agree. I don't like what the title tries to suggest that living with your parents is something wrong/abnormal? Why is that? I understand for many it is not a choice, but it doesn't necessarily meaning people are suffering as a result.

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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I'm "X" as well and while I grew up it never occurred to me that owning a single tiny home would one day be considered a luxury. I was raised by a single dad who, on one tiny teacher salary ended up with two houses, all sorts of motorized "toys", financial security and a pension by the time he retired. I probably make 3-4X what he did at the top of his career, and am kind-of hanging on to a house with a tough mortgag…

Assuming your father's peak income was in 1980, inflation has been about %315

With middle class incomes stagnated since about 1980, it's no surprise everybody feels a lot poorer now. They have a quarter of the effective income people in a similar position had in 1980.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Seems like the ol' "poor people aren't really poor because they almost all have refrigerators and not even kings had refrigerators two hundred years ago!" argument.

I call the counterargument "You can't live on pepper". As in even though pepper is way cheaper than it was 500 years ago, you'll starve if that is all you can afford.

A good thing is still a good thing. And for the vast majority of Americans, we aren't talking about starvation, or even homelessness.

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Yup. London. In the land of limp pay cheques (compared to US). Financial sector means being in a financial hub though so not much choice. I'll probably end up moving further out and accepting a long commute eventually.

Why not move to SF or NYC if your in tech or finance?

You say it like it's super simple...

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I was in a similar boat. I eventually said sure why not, might actually be great! , sold my house, and moved back in with them. A month later and now I live with my sibling because I hit my breaking point.

Try online therapy?

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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I'm my early 20s and in the UK. I earn more than my Dad who is in his 50s. He managed to get a house, have money left over for an expensive hobby, decent car, the odd holiday etc. I'm a 90th percentile earner. Will 95+ percentile earner in a few years time. Yet it feels like I am not as well off as I should be. I don't live in an expensive area either. Yet I need to save so much money to even have the opportunity to…

I’ve thought about this a lot. My parents had 2 TVs in a house of five(and one was junk). We had stick on vinyl floors, and a cheap white appliances. Counter tops were linoleum, and we had 1.5 baths. I cut the lawn, and we went shopping in stores. We took two vacations requiring planes for the first 13 years of my life. Most vacations were camping. We rarely went out to eat. We didn’t have computers. We had 1 corded…

We spend it differently because supply and demand (yeah, duh), but what I mean is that we make about the same as our parents, but the cost of housing went up, while the cost of travel and electronics went down. So we buy cheap stuff while try to figure out what to do with housing (and healthcare, and so on).

Everything that requires local labor is very expensive (partly because our expectations and requirements increased, we are willing and able to spend more, so a very high equilibrium point formed), everything that can be mass produced is cheap. (And not just because externalities are hidden, but because technological progress.)

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I'm my early 20s and in the UK. I earn more than my Dad who is in his 50s. He managed to get a house, have money left over for an expensive hobby, decent car, the odd holiday etc. I'm a 90th percentile earner. Will 95+ percentile earner in a few years time. Yet it feels like I am not as well off as I should be. I don't live in an expensive area either. Yet I need to save so much money to even have the opportunity to…

> I'm a 90th percentile earner. Will 95+ percentile earner in a few years time. How much is that in the UK?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-f...

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Seems like the ol' "poor people aren't really poor because they almost all have refrigerators and not even kings had refrigerators two hundred years ago!" argument.

The counter to your strawman is that you are poor if you feel poor. Since we have proven that a majority of people feel poor (i.e. they need to earn 20% more), and that this is true even of millionaire’s, we need a different definition of poor, because something isn’t right here...

Yeah, because real poverty doesn't exist in this country right? It's all just about feelings!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/05/hookworm-low...

> The average income is just $18,046 (£13,850) a year, and almost a third of the population live below the official US poverty line. The most elementary waste disposal infrastructure is often non-existent.

> Some 73% of residents included in the Baylor survey reported that they had been exposed to raw sewage washing back into their homes as a result of faulty septic tanks or waste pipes becoming overwhelmed in torrential rains.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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It's also useful to note that the "nuclear family" is a very Western thing, and the US takes it to an extreme. In other parts of the world it's abnormal for adults in their 20s to be living anywhere but with their parents, often even with a fiance or new spouse in the mix. The idea that having a multi-generational household means that the younger members haven't "grown up" and need to "learn to live on their own" is…

While it's true this seems like a strong US thing, I haven't heard many happy long-term stories of folks living intergenerationally. In my experience (talking to people from a variety of countries), most couples in their 20s/30s want their own place (even in the countries where it's not common). It seems it can even lead to happier intergenerational relationships when the roomate-type fights don't need to happen. It…

Some thoughts about that:

1. In the US, zoning laws discourage building things like the "mother in-law suite". These zoning laws were originally created as a way to get around federal laws prohibiting discrimination of race and sex by making it more difficult for people who can't afford housing to live within a certain neighborhood. Even if US residents wanted to add housing for some semblance of independence, zoning laws makes this difficult.

2. In the US, children are educated to become factory workers, and inegunity is deliberately suppressed. (See John Taylor Gotto's The Underground History of American Education).

3. When I look at Carol Sandford's work on regenerative business and regenerative life paradigms, I realized that people here in the US have been conditioned to think that being able to live independently is the mark of an adult. But that is an illusion. They are still largely treated like cogs, whether those are adults who are working full time jobs, or children in the compulsory school system.

4. In contrast, a regenerative business builds up the capability for each employee to figure out what they want to do that will make a meaningful contribution to the business and society in a way that aligns with the general direction the organization is going and the general strategy. Being able to do that gives a far greater sense of fulfillment, purpose, and agency to the people involved. It's as if every employee has the chance to be a mini startup within a larger organization, and the organization as a whole become more adaptive, resilient, without sacrificing being a responsible corporate citizen.

5. When I think about how that is applied to children, I am reminded by the NPR article about how indigenous families have children doing chores without resentment. (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/06/09/6169288...) ... and then I realized that, it isn't really about chores. It is a way that children from indigenous families are encouraged to make meaningful contributions to family and community from a young age.

6. If your sense of self-worth and purpose is derived from making meaningful contributions to the family, community, and society, you're no longer pidgeonholed into the role of being a child. As such, I think a lot of the tensions and inter-generational drama we expect from adult children living with their parents is no longer there.

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