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He's always been pretty awful and white-supremacist-adjacent.
This "adjacent" concept has no meaning. Paraphrasing a point I made on Twitter recently: - Richard Spencer: evil. Created 'alt right' movement. - Ben Shapiro: called 'alt right' because he's right wing - Joe Rogan: called 'alt right' because he talked to Ben - Bernie Sanders supporters: called 'alt right' because Joe endorsed Bernie. Ergo: by this logic Karl Marx could be considered 'alt right' Molyneaux might be awf…
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I always wonder what people are thinking when they suggest that the US could silence an entire viewpoint through invocation of RICO or FTO designation. If the government could have declared an entire line of thought illegal, don't people think we would have done so numerous times already? We couldn't even ban membership in the actual communist party at the height of the Cold War (not for lack of trying, though).
Not an entire viewpoint. I am purely talking about the organization that is the KKK. I know that white nationalism cannot be declared illegal.
Because there is no organization called the KKK.
It's a 100 organizations with 10-30 members who believe they're the true heirs to the KKK. It's be very similar to trying to arrest the head of the Nazi party. There really isn't one.
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Not sure about whites and blacks in the US, but as far as genetics are concerned, (black) Africans have far more genetic diversity than (white) Europeans.
Africans enslaved in America effectively had their original cultures denied and destroyed. That's why it's appropriate to capitalize Black but not white when referring to American subcultures. ( Whiteness isn't genetic. E.g. in South Africa under apartheid Chinese people were legally black but Japanese people were legally white .)
Various whites had their cultures denied and destroyed as well. By your logic White should capitalized as well.
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Your post is a symptom of the problem. If you can't read a paragraph like that without experiencing an emotional reaction and a need to hide it from yourself and others, it is you who is immature and should stay out of discussion forums, not the other poster. No rude words were used; the hide comment button is right there if you'd like to close it and the tree stemming from it and move on. Posts like your own really…
I like this forum to not be filled with propaganda and conspiracy theories, especially those that completely absolve the actual culprits of their crimes. Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America. That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing. And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate even as you completely for…
> Another poster defended the original post and claimed that Marxists are the reason for the decline of America.
> That's essentially propaganda and an unfounded conspiracy theory with no backing
It's a position. There are plenty of legitimate critiques of Marxism, this debate is not new in America, and was once taken much more seriously by people in positions of power. It's still a legitimate topic of conversation.
If you want backing, if you genuinely want to know why someone thinks that, get into it with them. If you disagree, or don't care, you downvote/hide and move on. Appealing to a moderator or banning people outright leads you into your own echo chamber.
> And it conveniently creates an "other" to hate
Every group always creates an outgroup enemy to hate. You should think about who your own might be.
> America's decline started the day it decided to spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by trillions more on bailouts in 2008.
I don't see how this is germane to the conversation, but it's a position, and I'm certainly in massive agreement that almost all of the foreign wars America has fought have been a massive waste of work, wealth, and life. I'm certainly in favour of fighting fewer of them. It's a pity that neither American party agrees on that account.
> Dick Cheney and Wall Street would find that very convenient!
Who is it that you suppose still likes Dick Cheney? Do you think that the same people who decry Marxist central control of the economy like the Fed and big banks having central control of the economy? There's more nuance to it than that, surely.
If only there was a place to talk about these things and openly and honestly learn new facets about them without being banned for questioning the wrong thing.
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People reliably will come out to defend white nationalists in every topic it comes up here. And people denouncing white nationalists will be voted down.
Not exactly .. people will come out to defend "free speech". But somehow the cause in question is nearly always far right.
That can be interpreted in a very different way
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#796When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…
>It is normal to decline the business of people you don't want to do business with. Wait what? I would love to hear your take on this then, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...
I’m pretty sure we are all aware that anti-discrimination laws exist and have in the US for half a century. Political opinions don’t make for protected classes.
Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech
#797When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…
Any thoughts on why the Klan hasn't yet been banned outright?
As far as I know, the Klan doesn't actually exist anymore. In its second most famous incarnation it was a fraternal order like the Freemasons. But that disintegrated in the 40s. Since there's no legal enforcement of the brand anyone can and does use the title for cultural history reasons. Today there are dozens of disparate "KKKs" with no official continuity with the famous KKK that amount to a couple thousand people in a nation of hundreds of millions.
So what would you even be banning other than the word KKK itself?
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he seems to be held to a higher standard He's not. Judith Miller was fired from NYT ending her career as a reporter within a couple of years of her original Iraq reporting. Alex Jones continues to make a living being a repugnant human being.
Honestly, you're dignifying this argument. Judith Miller probably believed the story she was selling about Iraqi WMDs, and in the cause itself. She was wrong. Alex Jones deliberately harassed the parents of first graders who had been crowded into a coat closet and shot at close range. This is the moral difference between a negligent doctor and a serial killer. The distinction is especially material here, because this…
Judith Miller was paid to believe what she wrote.
Your negligent doctor killed a lot more first graders than any serial killer could ever dream of.
Your distinction is specious.
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The important thing to distinguish is that they protect free speech, not free platforms. People are free to say racist things, produce racist games, setup racist podcasts. What they aren't entitled to is google showing their racist crap, steam carrying their racist games, hacker news keeping their racist comments uncensored. You are free to burn a flag, you can't force someone to watch you burn it. If someone feels h…
I agree with you in general. But would like to add that effective monopolies like youtube should be excluded. Censoring something on youtube essentially means it censored completely for video platforms.
There are other video hosting platforms that work perfectly well, as far as I can see.
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If we're going to have a marketplace of ideas, then some ideas will become popular and win, and some ideas will become unpopular and lose. This is how marketplaces are supposed to work. If we want a forum for speech where every idea is always welcome, and platformed, and no one is allowed to lose no matter how unpopular they are, I don't know what you'd call that. I'd call it a form of hell, personally. Philosophical…
I think the idea of marketplace of ideas is that an idea loses by being unpopular, not by another idea persuading large institutions to ban it. Your interpretation, that persuading a large institution to ban opposition ideas is winning, and being banned is losing, is entirely consistent with getting rid of the 1st amendment.
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