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Is there a term for the type of response that, instead of furthering the discussion, just tries to overwhelm you with questions?
Gish gallop[1]? Although that includes arguments, not just questions. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
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No, someone showing up late to work and someone else violently beating or murdering a citizen is not the same thing. At all. Those two scenarios are so far apart, attempting to draw a comparison is disturbing.
OK, let me make it more clear. Let's assume two cases: 1. A programmer, his work involves programming (obvious), going to meetings, printing some reports/codes etc. The biggest problem he can do is introduce bugs in code by mistake (yes, lives can be lost that way), would you expect his peers to tell on him that he was the guy that introduced a bug that killed 300 people in a plane crash? 2. A cop, his job involves p…
If I thought my coworker had deliberately introduced a bug that killed 300 people, I would absolutely turn them in. There is absolutely no question in my mind that I would do that.
But cops do not turn in their own when they deliberately abuse their power. They in fact resign in protest when their own are investigated (Buffalo, NY), and turn out in support when their own are arraigned for abuses of power (Philadelphia, PA).
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Why don’t the good ones arrest the bad ones then? Or even testify in court?
The world is not black and white. There is some evil that is done by good guys, and a tribe/community protects them. This is normal human behavior. Sociopaths are a minority. Would you protect your child if he/she did a hit&run? Would you report him/her right away?
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The point is that "black on black violence" is essentially a myth. If crime was responsible for the elevated rate of homicide among black people you would expect a higher proportion of strangers killing each other. All those intraracial homicides are essentially familial, and indeed when you control for household crowding the difference between white and black murder rates completely disappears[1]. You don't even nee…
> The point is that "black on black violence" is essentially a myth. This doesn't even pass the laugh test.
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I didn't downvote you and I agree with many of your points. However personally speaking I would (and do) in fact discount a reading where even two sentences are highly suspect; it makes it not worth spending the time to read the rest of it. As another example, I work primarily in data analytics. If I produce a report where even a single number is wrong, it almost immediately calls into question all of the other repor…
Appreciate it, and I agree with many of your points. I guess my main point -- phrased a bit more aggressively than needed -- was that if you have a huge community-sourced pile of data from multiple people in multiple parts of the country, relating to complex and chaotic situations that are unfolding as we speak, and all you need to dismiss it out of hand is finding a couple of things that you find suspect... well the…
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"It's a dangerous job" is given as a reason for why so much policy brutality occurs. Pointing out how dangerous it is relative to other professions is absolutely germane.
That's exactly my point, and no it isn't. Policing isn't less dangerous because deep sea fishing is really dangerous. If someone said "It's the most dangerous job", then it would be germane. Here's the same logic applied elsewhere: It's not dangerous to be a black man in America. What's really dangerous is to be a El Salvadoran living in El Salvador(the country with the highest murder rate in the world).
Police officers are volunteers, not conscripts. They're free at any time to choose a less dangerous profession if they so wish.
Ultimately it doesn't matter if policing was more dangerous than working in an asbestos-uranium mine on a fault line. There's no excuse for law enforcement to be breaking laws without consequence. People who can't tolerate the risks should go do something else.
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The point is that "black on black violence" is essentially a myth. If crime was responsible for the elevated rate of homicide among black people you would expect a higher proportion of strangers killing each other. All those intraracial homicides are essentially familial, and indeed when you control for household crowding the difference between white and black murder rates completely disappears[1]. You don't even nee…
>Black Americans are more likely to be killed by a police officer than a criminal. According to what data? In 2017, 223 black people were shot/killed by police in the US[1], while 2,627 black people were murdered by black people in the US. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... [2] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/
Statistica paywalls its information but verifiable records show over 400 killings of black people every year since 2010[1].
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It's still correct the vast majority of the protests are peaceful.
And the vast majority of policemen are not beating people up.
The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…
> the police are causing most of these protests and riots Free will is a thing, and the police cannot make you go out and commit vandalism, mayhem, and murder.
BTW these are all things that protesters experience, as the police as trained in "crowd control" techniques which involve kettling and provoking masses of people so they can exert force to teach them a lesson.