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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by crazygringo »

werber wrote: post #287

I haven't felt like Apple has been making products for me recently until the Macbook Air release and now this. Sane price points, and the exact features I need. Not sure what changed over there, but I'm really impressed.

I think it's at least partly a very intentional pricing strategy.

Every ~4 years Apple comes out with reasonably priced products for budget customers to be able to buy/upgrade.

The rest of the time they keep prices high so they can make their profit.

Budget customers are willing to wait, people who want the flashy new things aren't.

It's the same thing with premium clothing brands that hold only 2-4 sales a year.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by dzonga »

tradesmanhelix wrote: post #334
dzonga wrote: post #306

I have the 1st gen SE and a pixel 3a. pixel 3a screen currently shuttered. But will gladly switch back to 2nd gen SE if they let me run Firefox on that thing. I will compromise on a headphone jack n get an mp3 player

Firefox for iOS has been out for quite a while: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/i... . Unless I'm missing something?

firefox, using the firefox engine. not being a simple wrapper around webkit.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

egypturnash wrote: post #565
rubatuga wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also get tap payments with the Bluetooth square reader which is much more seamless of an experience for the customer.

You are forgetting the seam where it goes to sleep after a while when it’s not being used every few minutes, and needs to be reconnected while the customer is waiting. In a crowded convention hall full of thousands of other vendors doing the same thing. Oh, and the seam where if you do get it to connect to your phone, you then have both your phone and the customer’s phone fighting to get a connection to a tower satur…

Please stop you're going to give me nightmares about waiting for the freight elevator parking to free up.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by crazygringo »

shoes_for_thee wrote: post #705

Why tho? I have an old iPhone SE. It is small enough that I don't even notice it in my pocket. It does everything I want it to do very well and is actually very responsive. Also it is about $60 bucks on ebay. I have no compelling reason to switch.

I assume no more iOS updates are coming for the SE. Pretty soon your apps won't upgrade, and won't talk to the app servers, and you can't install new apps.

So you don't have a compelling reason to switch now... but in a year or so you unfortunately will. It's what happened to me with my iPhone 5. :(

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by bscphil »

freeflight wrote: post #727
cactus2093 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a few people that still have the SE, and for all of them it was mainly about the size. That and a belief that they didn't want to be glued to their phone all the time. So the benefit was a combination of the smaller size being more ergonomic, plus the fact that less content fit on the screen was actually a pro for them because the extra friction encourages wasting less time on it. It does seem weird that inste…

> It does seem weird that instead of continuing to serve this market, Apple assumes everyone wants their same large form factor and it's only a matter of price. The problem there is that they can't get the smaller form factor, +nice specs, at that low price but at a higher price it would probably not sell as good because the SE line always had that air of "more affordable iPhone" to it. That why this new SE is exactl…

> So while people like me prioritize the 4-inch screen smaller form-factor, Apple chose to embrace the SE as a "budget iPhone" brand that makes all the other "budget" competition look like really outdated and lame ducks.

In fairness, 4.7 inches is now a very small phone. So small in fact that you have basically no options that small in the Android line, and no recent iPhones that small either, if I'm not mistaken.

As a lifelong Android user, I'm very grateful that this exists. I detest just about everything about the Apple ecosystem and dislike the design of most of their products I've tried, but I will be getting an SE next time I have to get a new phone unless Android has responded, simply because that's the only way to get a quality phone that small. Even if it means giving up Firefox, for example.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by marrone12 »

nfellaby wrote: post #134
threepio wrote: post #33

"Popular design"? On the contrary. As an iPhone SE owner, this is exactly the form factor that fans of the iPhone 4/5 series (like me) rejected as being too large.

Also, it's a slippery bugger. I've had my iPhone 8 for almost 2 years and now I'm working from home I've taken it out of it's case to fully enjoy the design. Honestly, probably easier to hold a live fish than this bloody phone.

Yes! I didn't need a case with my iphone 7 since it had a metal back that created friction in my pocket. My iphone x is glass and slips out of my pocket constantly so i had to start casing it.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by bscphil »

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #470
cactus2093 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a few people that still have the SE, and for all of them it was mainly about the size. That and a belief that they didn't want to be glued to their phone all the time. So the benefit was a combination of the smaller size being more ergonomic, plus the fact that less content fit on the screen was actually a pro for them because the extra friction encourages wasting less time on it. It does seem weird that inste…

I still have my SE, for very good reasons: 1. HEADPHONE JACK. Selling music- and media-centric devices without headphone jacks is stupid and offensive. 2. Ergonomics: FLAT SIDES. You can grip the old SE. Rounded edges are stupid, because the phone wants to flip sideways out of your grip. And the new SE still uses the Lightning port, which is technically incompetent in addition to being proprietary.

Damn. I just said upthread that I (an Android user who has never owned an iPhone) would make it my next phone because of the form factor, but you're absolutely right about this. I had forgotten. I certainly won't ever be buying a phone without a traditional headphone jack.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by skizziepop »

rattray wrote: post #757
akvadrako wrote: post #209

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It isn't about the screen size - it's about the external dimensions. This is almost as large as the Pixel 4A, Samsung S10e or iPhone 11. You are only saving a couple grams and a few mm. Hopefully the Sony Xperia 5 II comes out soon - it should be smaller than this.

Does Sony Xperia have a good track record of shipping stock android and releasing updates quickly? (I haven't checked).

usually very close to stock, fast monthly security updates but slower on full version number bumps

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by smiley1437 »

robbyking wrote: post #707
hajile wrote: post #247

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My current phone has no headphone jack and it's been an absolute pain the whole time. Adapters are hit-or-miss and generally suck. Even high-end devices (mine was over $800) often have hissing due to the analog signal running fractions of a millimeter from a bunch of digital signals. Adding insult to injury, music objectively sucks with bluetooth. A good DAC takes space and power. Multiple drivers take space and powe…

I absolutely hated not having a headphone jack so I finally gave in a bought a pair of AirPods Pro. They are literally my favorite thing I've bought in the last decade. I know it's an extremely expensive solution, and it's super shitty that Apple is basically forcing you to buy them, but now that I have them I love them.

Same with me I got AirPods, now I never use any other headphones (which I used to love).

I feel gross when I call them 'magical' but they sortof really are

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