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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by danielscrubs »

It's interesting, usually, there are two sides, but in this issue, I've never met anyone standing on the pro-side. Yet it got approved. 60% more people vote for the normal parliament than the EU-parliament and in the EU-parliament we get around 20 people to represent our whole country.

The countries with high corruption get more voting rights than the ones with less corruption.

Wouldn't be so bad if they focused on just trading deficiencies, but no, they want to have their own culture budget ffs.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by jpz »

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

I appreciate the links. However - you need incoming revenue to maintain infrastructure as well as software.

Wikipedia probably stands alone as a not-for-profit (as do, incidentally, government-sponsored services - so in the UK, BBC should be fine for any liability, but Sky would be screwed, for instance.)

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by danielscrubs »

koonsolo wrote: post #558
ABCLAW wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Not really? This isn't a flat 'you need to pay 10k a yr regardless of your size' imposition. Proportionality is important. The articles, as written, are interesting because they already mention a ton of the balancing considerations. All of those are completely absent in these conversat…

> Not really? This isn't a flat 'you need to pay 10k a yr regardless of your size' imposition. Proportionality is important. In practice, it will all be up to the judge: 1. Was your AI filter adequate enough to properly filter the content 2. If not, how high can the fine be? There is 1 easy solution to all of this: incorporate outside of the EU.

You are forgetting that parody is legal. So this means the AI will have to understand the difference, which not even humans can do.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tijl »

Funes- wrote: post #756
ahallock wrote: post #742

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> These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit I take issue when people use the word profit to mean some evil, shameful thing. Youtube has amazing content and tools, and I'm sure a lot of their profit is re-invested in the platform. I doubt these other platforms come close in terms of functionality and UX. Peertube site design looks like it's from 2005. I know that might not be indicative of th…

>I take issue when people use the word profit to mean some evil, shameful thing. You left out the "by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissing any human cost those practices entail" part. I don't associate the word profit with a bad connotation univocally; that's only an as…

> You left out the "by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy,.....

Sure, the internet mammoths of today make their profit tat way, but this legislation is probably going to be around for a very long time. Platforms of the future might find other ways to make a profit. (Or they might not, because legislation of this sort makes it much harder for a new platform to rise and challenge the mammoths)

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by thirdsun »

scotty79 wrote: post #698
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295

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What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

This whole stupidity started when google refused to pay european newspapers for their articles showing up in google news. Google could have stopped all this be immediately kicking off all european newspapers from every google service they have and reinstating them only after they fill out and submit the form that they allow google to use their stuff without any pay. Instead google only threatened to do this and europ…

> Google could have stopped all this be immediately kicking off all european newspapers from every google service they have and reinstating them only after they fill out and submit the form that they allow google to use their stuff without any pay.

They did exactly that when germany introduced the "Leistungsschutzrecht", which was pushed and lobbied for by all major german publishers. Needless to say they all agreed to offer their snippets for free when Google present them with their options.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nkkollaw »

phillnom wrote: post #630
nicc wrote: post #586

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> Ahahah, the good joke. Mmm... Can you explain the media in the US are so much against Trump--with the majority of journalists still pushing for fake news about Russian bots and government intervention even after official investigations are closed, and with some of them even crying live when the Muller investigation conclusions came out? Or, can you explain why most major news outlets in the States are categorized a…

Being against Trump doesn't make them leftists.

Yes I think it kind of does. And a few other things.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by thirdsun »

Giorgi wrote: post #603

If FB, Google or Yt gave a single damn shit, they could simply add message to their frontpages regarding this upcoming legislation. Not doing so means they all have something to gain from this.

They have. They are in a position to actually comply with these new requirements - a potential upcoming competitor isn't.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nnq »

coldtea wrote: post #745
nnq wrote: post #731

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I'm particularly fond of the idea of a European Federation (I don't think the "European Union" went far enough, that's why it's failing... but hopefully the fire can be rekindled in an upgraded "globalism 2.0" movement once people see how bad the current tendencies work). This is why I hate it when the EU forgets its true purpose of acting like an Empire for European Culture and Civilization , and starts behaving lik…

> Empires bring civilization and prosperity - from The Roman Empire to The British Empire and The French "Empire(s)", to the decades of "American imperialism", if you objectively weigh the good and the bad No, Empires destroy regional governments, customs, and cultures, and bring upon them iron peace, of enforcing the will and customs of the winners. It's the peace of the graveyard. And while the Roman empire is too…

Thanks for the more informed comment to my "50% trollish" take :)

Agree, the colonial empires did unimaginable horrors, you're probably right on this, probably they should never be praised. ...my bad for ignoring the part of their history that happened outside Europe. Maybe the word "empire" is a bad one to use, too many bloody connotations for non-europeans.

But there is to be said that the industrial revolution and its consequences would likely not have happened without the colonial empires. And, as much as we want to consider our society the consequence of the French Revolution and the independence war and all those etc., I think our true culture we live in (not the one we imagine when we go to theatre or read some lofty philosophy) that brought us the current comforts, including the laptops we type from, is the (incredibly bloody) product of industrial revolution and industrial capitalism that was fuelled by imperialism. There's where we come from, and it just is, guild / shame etc. are practically useless with respect to a past longer than a lifetime, water under the bridge etc. We just need to be wise enough to not repeat the mistakes of the past. And honest enough to take ownership of the true foundations of our society. And to use the fruits of the spilled blood as much/best as we can and make them plentiful to all - the only thing to do about spilled blood is to make bloody sure it wasn't spilled for nothing!

And:

> reduced the power of the elites, and forced them to content -and deal with- their own population

...that's another issues. I'd rather have whatever elite crops up at the top of an empire fan out and dilute their exploatation as much as possible. Modern informational society will make it much harder for far off acts of bloody exploitation to go ignored and unnoticed anyway, with a globalist culture of social responsibility, call it a "global-PC-2.0" (hopefully less ridiculous than the 1.0 version of "political correctness") in lack of a better word.

These are the challenges I care about: (1) how to create a "globalism 2.0" that economically works (maybe the whole dystribute-everything and crypto things can be put to good use here) for the best and also produces "global culture" (the 90's brought some mildly successful examples of this), and (2) how to create some "global-PC-2.0" or "distributed global eco social responsibility" (this will need some true innovation, and it will need truly un-censorable and anonymous communication infrastructure too as a substrate to work on - think "global channels that could broadcast live and no nation state have the power to shut them down even if they discover it breaks their (local) laws").

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by meshman »

cwkoss wrote: post #674
_bxg1 wrote: post #374

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Other than VPNs and Tor (which can be blocked), how would people circumvent the fact that the pipes are still owned by the same players? We can't physically lay out "another internet". Maybe there's potential in radio mesh networking, but the wires we have are the wires we get. As depressing as it feels right now, I think the only real option is to continue pushing in the democratic channels we have. Governments can…

Most content doesn't really need low-latency. If we can develop a good protocol/UI for 'hours-to-days' latency or 'offline' networking, we could just pass thumb drives between ourselves and probably accomplish all of our data transfer needs. Swapping hard drives with a buddy twice a month can be more bandwidth than most mobile contracts.

That's effectively the network setup I have. A long range radio link to a farm in the area that then has an upstream link (again via radio) to a residence that has a fiber connection.

The latency can be huge when we have less-that-optimal conditions.

Since the throughput is low and the latency high, it's not streaming-video capabl. A buddy downloads a load of movies to an ssd and drops that off every now and then.

For real-time news I use an actual radio. There are some good news and music stations in the area.

I have an offline copy of the spanish language wikipedia.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by thirdsun »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #391
bad_user wrote: post #139

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Sorry, but the Brexit referendum is the perfect example of choices that should not be made directly by the population, because it lacks the competence to foresee the effects or even to distinguish fact from fiction. If you told UK citizens that the choice is in fact for a No Deal Brexit and what that will mean, they wouldn't have voted for Brexit. However the population was lied to about the economic benefits and vot…

>Sorry, but the Brexit referendum is the perfect example of choices that should not be made directly by the population, because it lacks the competence to foresee the effects or even to distinguish fact from fiction. I still find it hard to not value your own autonomy. For thousands of years, wars of independence were fought for this exact purpose. You might not value it, but I don't think you can attack others for p…

The problem is that the UK seems wanting to cherry pick their autonomy and make use of the benefits the EU has to offer while rejecting the obligations and rules of such a union. Obviously it doesn't work like that and the eu doesn't have any interest in letting them have their cake and eat it too.

The only Leave-scenario people actually could have voted for in the referendum was a no-deal-brexit. Any other promsies were ranging from uncertain to wishful thinking.

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