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Post by nickpsecurity »

userbinator wrote: post #749
freehunter wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no responsibility to protect citizens [1]. You cannot sue the police for failing to respond because they legally don't have to respond. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

the police have no responsibility to protect citizens Then... what the hell are they for?!?! That is utterly insane.

To enforce the law based on the people in charges' priorities. That could be stuff that helps you or hurts you. Then, we maybe reduce the bad of that with Congress and courts.

Just how it works. It's how it always worked. The "Protect and Serve" is just marketing. There's definitely plenty of cops that are about that, though. Even some that don't care will risk their lives protecting people because it's part of their job enforcing the law as their supervisors or police chiefs order them. It's all pretty complicated.

In pro-gun areas, we are already operating with this assumption, though. That ruling just reinforced what many of us already believed and sometimes experienced. Each American is responsible for their own safety before anything or anyone else helps them. Each living person is responsible for deciding their own risk avoidance or tolerance in their various systems since there's no guarantee the system can protect them without their own action. It's up to use first and foremost.

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Post by agensaequivocum »

JshWright wrote: post #751
kortilla wrote: post #724

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Getting a CCW involves training to use the gun properly to shoot assailants. People with CCWs are more likely to win a standoff than random criminals with stolen guns and no training. If the assailant also had a CCW, he would know how stupid it is to approach someone else with a gun.

Only in the most restrictive states is training required, and even then it's generally just a class about the laws and regulations. That's not going to help you in a "standoff".

I admit I don't have stats for this, but it seems that most people who get CCWs do practice regularly or at least have extensive experience with firearms.

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Post by bduerst »

dragonwriter wrote: post #547
bduerst wrote: post #420

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>Can you cite a law that says they're not legal? The Geneva convention, for starters. It's also a five second Google search: https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/

> The Geneva convention Which Geneva Convention applies to non-state actors not acting in the context of international or internal war? Please quote specifically the relevant provisions making it applicable to that case. > It's also a five second Google search Well, yes, that that's all the effort you devoted does explain the rather giant hole in your argument.

>The Geneva convention, for starters.

Is the full statement. Individual state laws vary but it's important enough to be international law was the point.

From the article:

>If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.

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Post by tomcam »

will_brown wrote: post #607
iamdave wrote: post #533

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there needs to be a platform to post these videos for the public to crowdsource the identity of these people. And then what? Will the platform also have a portal that will let people en masse vex the local PD with messages containing links to the video until the precinct assigns an officer to the case? What happens next? Is there going to be a timer or some kind of SLA on the platform that notifies people in the crow…

>What happens next? Well let me tell you of another event that occurred to me in 08/17. I was kidnapped at gunpoint from a gas station, forced to drive my attacker with a gun on my for 30 minutes, eventually after getting off the highway I jumped out of my own car in gear, escaped and called the police. First words out of the sergeants mouth responding, “cut the shit what really happened.” Despite my insistence I’m a…

That is beyond horrible. Sorry you had to go through it. Did you contact the FBI? If I understand correctly, kidnapping is a federal offense. They might have taken it more seriously.

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Post by tomcam »

r00fus wrote: post #766
loftyal wrote: post #672

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Jesus this reads like it's from some super corrupt 3rd country, not the US.

Well it’s like we even have a tinpot dictator whose primary goal is to line his own pockets.

Can you explain how that plan works?

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Post by drharby »

dang wrote: post #767
tokyodude wrote: post #765

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Get out of your bubble? I used to think the USA was a "safe" place. Maybe it is compared to Somalia but it isn't compared to Japan or Singapore. Once I got used to the safety of these places I never feel safe in the USA anymore. I used just take it for granted there were bad parts of town and that even in the good parts of town I should be leery of people, avoid dark alleys etc. Don't walk alone at night, etc. Then I…

> Get out of your bubble? Swipes like that break the HN guidelines. Can you please edit them out of what you post here? Your comment would be better without that sentence, and maybe also the patronizing bit at the end ("these kinds of posts always illicit irrelevant responses"). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Guidelines != rules Foster diversity of thought through enabling diversity in style, and watch the community grow healthy

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Post by iamdave »

dang wrote: post #767
tokyodude wrote: post #765

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Get out of your bubble? I used to think the USA was a "safe" place. Maybe it is compared to Somalia but it isn't compared to Japan or Singapore. Once I got used to the safety of these places I never feel safe in the USA anymore. I used just take it for granted there were bad parts of town and that even in the good parts of town I should be leery of people, avoid dark alleys etc. Don't walk alone at night, etc. Then I…

> Get out of your bubble? Swipes like that break the HN guidelines. Can you please edit them out of what you post here? Your comment would be better without that sentence, and maybe also the patronizing bit at the end ("these kinds of posts always illicit irrelevant responses"). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm going to disagree with this being a "swipe" because at the root of it is a critical cautionary tale that I think we should be sharing more of on HN:

What you (the global "you") experience in the world and the results of your interaction are not a template, and other people's experiences may sometimes preclude them from truly realizing, appreciating and unpacking why people in other social groups might see interactions with the constabulary (keeping in context with this comment thread) or other systems of society a bit differently.

As a matter of personal perspective, the suggestion to break one's bubble isn't a swipe, but a request to entertain the thought that one's preconceived notions about a given affair might change with the knowledge that their experiences are not universal and exposure to a different angle.

Maybe the curt nature of the suggestion doesn't meet some arbitrary ideal of discussion, but that doesn't invalidate the root point of the suggestion.

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Post by sneak »

will_brown wrote: post #512

I just told this story on HN, but my car window was smashed on 10/13/18 and the theives got my wallet and house keys. They used my credit card at foot locker (~$500), The Store Manager confirmed two guys made the purchase and corporate said they would turn over the video if police just ask. A month later the bank fraud dept informed me someone was trying to cash a fake check ($1,600) against my account at an ATM usin…

A roommate once stole $30,000 from me while I was out of town. The police were disinterested in helping despite written records of him admitting to the crime, until I pulled strings internally and got detectives assigned to the case.

The police in the USA of course have no legal obligation to investigate or protect, contrary to popular understanding. Sovereign/qualified immunity really needs to be scaled back.

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Post by ghufran_syed »

yardie wrote: post #689
agensaequivocum wrote: post #663

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I would get a CCW if you don't already have one.

Except he’d be dead and the perp would have 2 guns. Why is the solution to more gun violence more guns?

Quick existence proof that sometimes it seems to be beneficial (for the non-criminal) https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/

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Post by sneak »

manigandham wrote: post #778
will_brown wrote: post #607

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>What happens next? Well let me tell you of another event that occurred to me in 08/17. I was kidnapped at gunpoint from a gas station, forced to drive my attacker with a gun on my for 30 minutes, eventually after getting off the highway I jumped out of my own car in gear, escaped and called the police. First words out of the sergeants mouth responding, “cut the shit what really happened.” Despite my insistence I’m a…

If you're a lawyer then this seems like a personally targeted situation. What happened to the police who ignored you? All of these interactions should be recorded so do you have a civil suit against the police department?

You cannot sue police for most things without permission from the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity

Additionally, police have no legal duty or obligation to protect or investigate.

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